Do you honestly believe that voting for someone pro life and anti same-sex marriage will make a difference?

[CatholicSheila]

Without reading the thread, in answer to the initial question…

For abortion… no. I don’t believe voting someone pro life will actually work. Abortion is a state issue here and we’ve had “pro-life” governments with extreme majorities who haven’t even discussed it, much less done anything to change the law. All talk and no action. It’s a “we won’t do anything, but they might if you vote for them”… that’s bad politics and it won’t get my vote. If they showed they actually wanted to do something, then I would support them.

Same sex marriage… I’m undecided on that one. It isn’t the political issue here that it is the US and so far hasn’t come up as something I need to make a call on. I do see it as inevitable given the beliefs held in Australia, which tempts me to vote as I usually do. I’ll admit that is for the major party more likely to bring in gay marriage. It would be very hard for me to vote for the other major party given I disagree with them on practically everything else. Do I vote to prevent gay marriage temporarily, knowing that doing so may have major long term impact on other issues I also consider extremely important? I’m not sure I am willing to sacrifice our health care system to prevent gay marriage unless I thought there was a long term benefit to doing so. If I thought that in addition to preventing gay marriage they were also going to prevent things such as access to IVF and sperm/egg donor-ship for LGBT couples then I’d be much more likely to change my vote. At the moment they have access to IVF and are under the same laws for sperm/egg donor-ship as straight couples. Thankfully, surrogacy isn’t so easy in Australia, so that isn’t a huge issue for me.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Ok, I’m unsubscribing. You didn’t write a clear post, and you misinterpret the responses.

All I did was to state the obvious truth. I do not believe in abortions or same-sex marriages, but they are likely to remain with us throughout our lifetime. Again, the solution is to bring more light into the world so people come to realize their sins and stop sinning.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

All I did was to state the obvious truth. I do not believe in abortions or same-sex marriages, but they are likely to remain with us throughout our lifetime. Again, the solution is to bring more light into the world so people come to realize their sins and stop sinning.

Robert…

In my lifetime abortion was illegal. Laws changed and it was legalized.

Same-sex marriage was unheard of and we had a Federal Law protecting traditional marriage. Politicians changed that law. Politicians can reinstate it.

Laws can be changed…but it takes politics.

Tell you what…you go and round up Satan. I’ll hold him down while you shine your flashlight on him…and we will see what happens.

Then we can go down to “Election Central” and vote for honest practicing Catholic politicians who will vote to criminalize abortion and define marriage as between one man and one woman. (I would also like them to abolish Obamacare…but that’s another subject)

That way we will REALLY make a difference.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Robert…

In my lifetime abortion was illegal. Laws changed and it was legalized.

Same-sex marriage was unheard of and we had a Federal Law protecting traditional marriage. Politicians changed that law. Politicians can reinstate it.

Laws can be changed…but it takes politics.

Tell you what…you go and round up Satan. I’ll hold him down while you shine your flashlight on him…and we will see what happens.

Then we can go down to “Election Central” and vote for honest practicing Catholic politicians who will vote to criminalize abortion and define marriage as between one man and one woman. (I would also like them to abolish Obamacare…but that’s another subject)

That way we will REALLY make a difference.

There are different, more effective, methods of ending abortion and same-sex marriage. One method is prayer, the other is our bringing more light into our darkened world. Making these things illegal, while not changing the person, is vanity.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

There are different, more effective, methods of ending abortion and same-sex marriage. One method is prayer, the other is our bringing more light into our darkened world. Making these things illegal, while not changing the person, is vanity.

Well, Robert, I will join you in prayer and shining your light. I am sure God will answer our prayers by inspiring politicians to “see the light” and pass legislation to end abortion and leave traditional marriage alone.

But…

While I am waiting for God’s answer I will continue to pressure my elected officials to do what is right.

Many people think that despair is the opposite of Hope. In situations like this, “Action” becomes the opposite of Hope. There is nothing wrong with prayer and Hope…but you have to get out there and DO SOMETHING to make what you hope for… happen.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Well, Robert, I will join you in prayer and shining your light. I am sure God will answer our prayers by inspiring politicians to “see the light” and pass legislation to end abortion and leave traditional marriage alone.

But…

While I am waiting for God’s answer I will continue to pressure my elected officials to do what is right.

Many people think that despair is the opposite of Hope. In situations like this, “Action” becomes the opposite of Hope. There is nothing wrong with prayer and Hope…but you have to get out there and DO SOMETHING to make what you hope for… happen.

I choose to pray for an end to all the madness in the world, including political madness. To change the world, we first have to change people. Merely outlawing things like abortion will do little to end it; people will just have abortions illegally. This is not what Catholics should want.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

To change the world, we first have to change people.

How do we do that? Sit around and hum “Kum-by-Ya” ???

 

[Orogeny]

I choose to pray for an end to all the madness in the world, including political madness. To change the world, we first have to change people. Merely outlawing things like abortion will do little to end it; people will just have abortions illegally. This is not what Catholics should want.

I’m sorry, but this is silly and very un-Catholic. Pedophilia is outlawed (and rightfully so), but based on your logic, it shouldn’t be. We should just focus on changing pedophiles’ hearts.

You go ahead and justify voting for pro-abortion politicians. We know that, left to their own devices, they will make abortion not only easier to obtain but more frequent. But then again, maybe if we just focus on their hearts…

The smoke of Satan has many sources and I have absolutely no doubt that he uses people who have the best of intentions to allow his evil to continue. Listen to the Church. She will never lead you astray.

Peace

Tim

 

[Robert_Sock]

I’m sorry, but this is silly and very un-Catholic. Pedophilia is outlawed (and rightfully so), but based on your logic, it shouldn’t be. We should just focus on changing pedophiles’ hearts.

You go ahead and justify voting for pro-abortion politicians. We know that, left to their own devices, they will make abortion not only easier to obtain but more frequent. But then again, maybe if we just focus on their hearts…

The smoke of Satan has many sources and I have absolutely no doubt that he uses people who have the best of intentions to allow his evil to continue. Listen to the Church. She will never lead you astray.

Peace

Tim

Did we effectively deal with pedophilia simply by outlawing it? Indeed, I believe it is a mental disorder that requires treatment. To think that we can achieve moral behavior simply by passing laws is most naive.

 

[Orogeny]

Did we effectively deal with pedophilia simply by outlawing it? Indeed, I believe it is a mental disorder that requires treatment. To think that we can achieve moral behavior simply by passing laws is most naive.

Ok, so we have established that you DO believe that we should make pedophilia legal while we work on the mental disorder. Do you believe that criminal activity should ever be against the law or is abortion and pedophilia special cases where prayer/treatment are the only things needed?

Peace

Tim

 

[Robert_Sock]

Ok, so we have established that you DO believe that we should make pedophilia legal while we work on the mental disorder. Do you believe that criminal activity should ever be against the law or is abortion and pedophilia special cases where prayer/treatment are the only things needed?

Peace

Tim

Perhaps pro-life politicians will suddenly acquire the power and support to outlaw abortion, and that would be fine, but that’s not going to happen.

 

[Orogeny]

Perhaps pro-life politicians will suddenly acquire the power and support to outlaw abortion, and that would be fine, but that’s not going to happen.

You didn’t answer the question. Do you believe that criminal activity should ever be against the law or are abortion and pedophilia special cases where prayer/treatment are the only things needed?

Peace

Tim

 

[Robert_Sock]

You didn’t answer the question. Do you believe that criminal activity should ever be against the law or are abortion and pedophilia special cases where prayer/treatment are the only things needed?

Peace

Tim

Of course they should be outlawed, but merely outlawing them leaves a lot to be desired, and the problem unsolved. Again, outlawing abortions and same-sex marriages is simply not going to happen anytime in our lifetimes.

 

[Marty100]

Yes it matters

Ephesians 6:12 [Full Chapter]
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

 

[Orogeny]

Of course they should be outlawed, but merely outlawing them leaves a lot to be desired, and the problem unsolved. Again, outlawing abortions and same-sex marriages is simply not going to happen anytime in our lifetimes.

Why should they be outlawed? If the goal is to stop pedophiles and abortions and outlawing them doesn’t work, why do you say that they should be outlawed?

By the way, I assume that you do understand that outlawing same-sex “marriage” actually will end same-sex “marriage”, right?

Peace

Tim

 

[Robert_Sock]

Why should they be outlawed? If the goal is to stop pedophiles and abortions and outlawing them doesn’t work, why do you say that they should be outlawed?

By the way, I assume that you do understand that outlawing same-sex “marriage” actually will end same-sex “marriage”, right?

Peace

Tim

Law abiding citizens may be receptive the law, but other problems created, such as those seeking to break the law.

Changing the law on abortion at this time would breed all sorts of problems, such as coping with unwanted pregnancy and mass discontent given the current attitude in our society.

Somehow, people need to adapt to being moralistic. This is the current stumbling block, not democrats per se.

 

[Orogeny]

Law abiding citizens may be receptive the law, but other problems created, such as those seeking to break the law.

You believe that the problem with laws is that there are people who want to break the law? Really? Does that mean that you don’t think that there would be bad people if we would just quit making laws that they can then break?

Changing the law on abortion at this time would breed all sorts of problems, such as coping with unwanted pregnancy and mass discontent given the current attitude in our society.

How did we deal with unwanted pregnancy when killing the baby wasn’t legal? Would the life of even one baby be worth the mass discontent?

Somehow, people need to adapt to being moralistic. This is the current stumbling block, not democrats per se.

Are the people you refer to the ones who are looking for laws to break or are they the ones who believe that all murder should be against the law?

Peace

Tim

 

[Robert_Sock]

You believe that the problem with laws is that there are people who want to break the law? Really? Does that mean that you don’t think that there would be bad people if we would just quit making laws that they can then break?How did we deal with unwanted pregnancy when killing the baby wasn’t legal? Would the life of even one baby be worth the mass discontent?Are the people you refer to the ones who are looking for laws to break or are they the ones who believe that all murder should be against the law?

Peace

Tim

The main problem is the people, but there will be an answer if we all pray.

Do you think that getting republican, pro-lifers, in the government will get the current law on abortion repealed?

 

[Patti_M]

The main problem is the people, but there will be an answer if we all pray.

Do you think that getting republican, pro-lifers, in the government will get the current law on abortion repealed?

OK, now I believe that Robert Sock is a politically motivated liberal troll. His motives are very suspecious.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

OK, now I believe that Robert Sock is a politically motivated liberal troll. His motives are very suspecious.

Yes. It’s true! But he is fun…watch this…see below.