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Atk_Aheeni
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I think there suppose to be a synagogue there. I dont like how things go down there politicaly although I do believe king solomn was not a muslim. Wars happen people are ran out places are destroyed but that place has a history older than islam.
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Saint_Michael
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I know this is about a synagogue, but ultimately it’s about a third Temple. It’s real simple, if God wants a third Temple built on the Temple Mount, they’ll be one built, if not there won’t be. That’s my view at least.
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GregoryPalamas
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Why is this ultimately about the Temple?
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JohnWilliams
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Not necessarily. There was a temple built to Jupiter that the Lord let them build that He then struck by lightening and destroyed.I know this is about a synagogue, but ultimately it’s about a third Temple. It’s real simple, if God wants a third Temple built on the Temple Mount, they’ll be one built, if not there won’t be. That’s my view at least.
There is no need for a rebuilt temple since ever since the Cross our bodies are the temple of God. Jesus was the perfect sacrifice. To declare that a temple needed to be built would be to suggest that His sacrifice was less than perfect.
1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1Cr 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Cr 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.
2Cr 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
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Valke2
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There are probably more christians that Jews who want to see the 3rd Temple built.Not necessarily. There was a temple built to Jupiter that the Lord let them build that He then struck by lightening and destroyed.
There is no need for a rebuilt temple since ever since the Cross our bodies are the temple of God. Jesus was the perfect sacrifice. To declare that a temple needed to be built would be to suggest that His sacrifice was less than perfect.
Building a synagouge there for what reason? I think Israel has plenty of synagouges. No reason to pour gasoline on fire by building one there.
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GregoryPalamas
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I’d still like to see both a synagogue and a church on the Temple Mount if for no other reason than for Christians and Jews to say to the Muslims we don’t believe your assertion that you are the only true religion. As it is now Europe doesn’t believe in much of anything and are being overrun and American religion is so thin that it may not be able to stand if seriously challenged. BTW I not only don’t believe that Islam is the only true religion, I don’t believe that Islam is true at all. Do I need body guards and a bomb shelter?
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JohnWilliams
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I have absolutely no doubts about this. It’s so sad. Many likely don’t understand that Jews were born again and spirit filled with a circumcision of the heart, before the Cross.There are probably more christians that Jews who want to see the 3rd Temple built.
Building a synagouge there for what reason? I think Israel has plenty of synagouges. No reason to pour gasoline on fire by building one there.
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pro_universal
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Have you ever honestly felt afraid to say something bad about Muslims?I’d still like to see both a synagogue and a church on the Temple Mount if for no other reason than for Christians and Jews to say to the Muslims we don’t believe your assertion that you are the only true religion. As it is now Europe doesn’t believe in much of anything and are being overrun and American religion is so thin that it may not be able to stand if seriously challenged. BTW I not only don’t believe that Islam is the only true religion, I don’t believe that Islam is true at all. Do I need body guards and a bomb shelter?
CDL
I’m noticing a funny trend. People play up how dangerous Muslims are, and then say bad things about them in purported “acts of bravery,” declaring things like “I won’t be silenced!”
Look around folks. No muslims are at your doorsteps, anywhere near you, or doing anything violent to silence you.
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pro_universal
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Based on this principle, would you think it would be legitimate for Israel to destroy the Church of the Nativity and build a synagogue there, just to “say that Israel doesn’t believe that Jesus is the real messiah”?I’d still like to see both a synagogue and a church on the Temple Mount if for no other reason than for Christians and Jews to say to the Muslims we don’t believe your assertion that you are the only true religion. As it is now Europe doesn’t believe in much of anything and are being overrun and American religion is so thin that it may not be able to stand if seriously challenged. BTW I not only don’t believe that Islam is the only true religion, I don’t believe that Islam is true at all. Do I need body guards and a bomb shelter?
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GregoryPalamas
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Your comment is not based upon anything I wrote at all. You don’t seem to know much of anything about the Temple Mount.Based on this principle, would you think it would be legitimate for Israel to destroy the Church of the Nativity and build a synagogue there, just to “say that Israel doesn’t believe that Jesus is the real messiah”?
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Lance
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Yes. If the Muslims can turn Hagia Sophia, i.e. (the Church of) Holy Wisdom, into a mosque why can’t the Jews destroy the Al-Aqsa Mosque or turn it into a Temple?
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wcknight
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IF it were possible to built a new temple with out interfering with the normal operations of the mosque then no one should have opposition to that. Disturbing alleyways or periferal items should not be an impediment to rebuilding a temple.
BUT if a new structure were to impose or force destruction of parts of the mosque then it should not be built. Unfortunately, neither side treats the other faith with respect or tolleration.
It is dangerous proposal because undoubtedly the impact of building a temple will be overblown. Jerusalem should be an international city. It is very important to all three major religions and no one faith should dominate or infringe upon the others practices. A lot of respect, tollerance and sharing needs to be a huge part of everything done there.
Given the current climate there, a new temple at this time will undoubtedly touch off a firestorm of opposition. IF Isreal can prove that any plans to build a temple will not impose on the mosque, then it needs to sell that to the Islamic world. It would probably never get 100% agreement, but it needs to get at least a majority of moderate muslims to agree that it is a minimal imposition.
Isreal can handle the radicals like it already is, but it can not take on the entire muslim world.
BUT if a new structure were to impose or force destruction of parts of the mosque then it should not be built. Unfortunately, neither side treats the other faith with respect or tolleration.
It is dangerous proposal because undoubtedly the impact of building a temple will be overblown. Jerusalem should be an international city. It is very important to all three major religions and no one faith should dominate or infringe upon the others practices. A lot of respect, tollerance and sharing needs to be a huge part of everything done there.
Given the current climate there, a new temple at this time will undoubtedly touch off a firestorm of opposition. IF Isreal can prove that any plans to build a temple will not impose on the mosque, then it needs to sell that to the Islamic world. It would probably never get 100% agreement, but it needs to get at least a majority of moderate muslims to agree that it is a minimal imposition.
Isreal can handle the radicals like it already is, but it can not take on the entire muslim world.
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pro_universal
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If Christians can persecute Jews for centuries, why can’t Jews destroy the Church of the Nativity, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, and bar all Christians from entering Israel?Yes. If the Muslims can turn Hagia Sophia, i.e. (the Church of) Holy Wisdom, into a mosque why can’t the Jews destroy the Al-Aqsa Mosque or turn it into a Temple?
What possible principle would justify destroying the Al Aqsa, that wouldn’t also logically justify the destruction of every Christian Church in Palestine?
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Lance
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You seem to thin Islam is a reasonable religion and can co-exist with Judism and Christianity. I don’t believe it for one moment. Consider that in 705 Umayyad caliph Abd al-Malik took the church of St. John from the Christians and had it rebuilt as a mosque, which is now known as Umayyad Mosque; overall, Abd al-Malik is said to have transformed ten churches in Damascus into mosques. During his persecution of the Copts, Abbasid caliph al-Ma’mun turned many churches into mosques, both in Cairo and in Egyptian villages, which had no mosques in the earlier generations of Islam. Fatimid caliph al-Hakim converted numerous churches and synagogues into mosques. The chief mosque in Palermo was previously a church. After the Crusades, several churches were turned into mosques in Palestine. Ottoman Turks converted into mosques nearly all churches, monasteries, and chapels in Constantinople, including the famous St. Sophia cathedral, immediately after capturing the city in 1453. To make the buildings fit for the mosques, the Turks destroyed the icons, plundering their precious plating in the process, and defaced the frescoes. The Ottoman sultan Mehmet II was the first to perform a Muslim prayer in what had previously been the St. Sophia cathedral.IF it were possible to built a new temple with out interfering with the normal operations of the mosque then no one should have opposition to that. Disturbing alleyways or periferal items should not be an impediment to rebuilding a temple.
BUT if a new structure were to impose or force destruction of parts of the mosque then it should not be built. Unfortunately, neither side treats the other faith with respect or tolleration.
It is dangerous proposal because undoubtedly the impact of building a temple will be overblown. Jerusalem should be an international city. It is very important to all three major religions and no one faith should dominate or infringe upon the others practices. A lot of respect, tollerance and sharing needs to be a huge part of everything done there.
Given the current climate there, a new temple at this time will undoubtedly touch off a firestorm of opposition. IF Isreal can prove that any plans to build a temple will not impose on the mosque, then it needs to sell that to the Islamic world. It would probably never get 100% agreement, but it needs to get at least a majority of moderate muslims to agree that it is a minimal imposition.
Isreal can handle the radicals like it already is, but it can not take on the entire muslim world.
IMO, the only thing Islam understands is power and the will to use it.
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GregoryPalamas
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Neither the thread nor the article is about destroying anything or about building the Temple. Please Please Please read the article. If you want to write about rebuilding the temple start your own thread. This is about building a synagogue on the SW corner of the Temple mount.Yes. If the Muslims can turn Hagia Sophia, i.e. (the Church of) Holy Wisdom, into a mosque why can’t the Jews destroy the Al-Aqsa Mosque or turn it into a Temple?
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GregoryPalamas
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You have stated a well reasoned position. But this is not about a Temple. It is about a synagogue. While I agree that the Muslims would probably destroy the Synagogue or the Church but their attitude toward us lowly Dhimmi is arrogant and rude I still think both a synagogue and a church ought to be built. Why should decisions be made based upon the hatred of others?IF it were possible to built a new temple with out interfering with the normal operations of the mosque then no one should have opposition to that. Disturbing alleyways or periferal items should not be an impediment to rebuilding a temple.
BUT if a new structure were to impose or force destruction of parts of the mosque then it should not be built. Unfortunately, neither side treats the other faith with respect or tolleration.
It is dangerous proposal because undoubtedly the impact of building a temple will be overblown. Jerusalem should be an international city. It is very important to all three major religions and no one faith should dominate or infringe upon the others practices. A lot of respect, tollerance and sharing needs to be a huge part of everything done there.
Given the current climate there, a new temple at this time will undoubtedly touch off a firestorm of opposition. IF Isreal can prove that any plans to build a temple will not impose on the mosque, then it needs to sell that to the Islamic world. It would probably never get 100% agreement, but it needs to get at least a majority of moderate muslims to agree that it is a minimal imposition.
Isreal can handle the radicals like it already is, but it can not take on the entire muslim world.
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GregoryPalamas
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Lance,
You could multiply those examples many times over should you care so to do. You are probably aware of that. I’m not in favor of destroying mosques. I am in favor of building Churches and not allowing the movement of God to be intimidated by blood thirsty radical Muslims.
CDL
You could multiply those examples many times over should you care so to do. You are probably aware of that. I’m not in favor of destroying mosques. I am in favor of building Churches and not allowing the movement of God to be intimidated by blood thirsty radical Muslims.
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Valke2
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I don’t believe that at all. I’m just saying that rebuilding the TEmple there is one thing. Rebuilding a synagouge is another. One has traditional, historical and prophetic implications. The other doesn’t.I have absolutely no doubts about this. It’s so sad. Many likely don’t understand that Jews were born again and spirit filled with a circumcision of the heart, before the Cross.
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JohnWilliams
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My understanding of some suggesting the need for a rebuilt temple is so the Jews could resume animal sacrifice. At least I believe this is the view in some Christian circles.I don’t believe that at all. I’m just saying that rebuilding the TEmple there is one thing. Rebuilding a synagouge is another. One has traditional, historical and prophetic implications. The other doesn’t.
Perhaps resuming animal sacrifice may not be a strange goal for some of the Jews in the Middle East, from whom God hasn’t yet removed the “spirit of slumber”.
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