Do you support the second amendment?

[Vonsalza]

Why does it matter? Sometimes it is necessary to kill.

Your average citizen will simply never encounter that type of situation.

Many that are purposefully ready for that scenario don’t do enough to avoid it.

 

[starshiptrooper]

I disagree, thousands of citizens are victims of violent crimes every year.

Why should the good people have to retreat from the bad?

 

[Brendan]

Certain CONCEPTS came from the military, such as blow back, but the ACTIONS for the 10/22 were not designed as people killers. Those actions were engineered using different criteria than the Mannilner, hence their different operations, the Ruger using Simple Blowback than say, the Mannlicher Screw Delayed blowback. Same physics principle, but completely different mechanisms, as different as a gasoline engine is from a diesel.

And and as different, at least as the fiberglass recurve bow you can commonly purchase for children’s archer is a ‘people hunter’; just because the first use of recurves was from Mongol cavalry.

 

[upant]

so why isn’t the atf going after the 1% of dealers?

what do manufacturers have to do with these dealers? why would the manufacturer be held liable for a dealer breaking the law? do you think the manufacturer knows who the 1% are?

 

[upant]

Progressives don’t want to control your life. Quite the opposite.

unless you don’t agree with their agenda.

they want you to pay for whatever a person feels he or she is entitled to.

abortion, birth control, obama phones, etc

 

[SuperLuigi]

As one gun owner put it, if you start regulating magazine and bullet size, all you will do is wound whatever you are shooting instead of kill it.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Free trade killed Detroit. Whoever just happened to be in charge of the city at any particular moment secondary to that overwhelmingly primary causation.

Incorrect on both points.

Detriot was killed because of corrupt unions and failed Democrat leadership.

 

[SuperLuigi]

On the flip side, plenty of progressives might argue that conservatives are trying to control the lives of some gay folks who just want to call themselves “married”.

Per Vonnegut, “So it goes”.

Also incorrect, as conservatives prefer smaller government and so-called gay “marriage” means bigger government.

 

[upant]

a dem speaks the truth for a change.

“No,” said Feinstein in reply to a question if there could “have been any law passed that would’ve stopped" the shooting. "He passed background checks registering for handguns and other weapons on multiple occasions,” she told CBS “Face the Nation” host John Dickerson.

when will the left admit they want a ban on guns. it is the only thing that they think will do what they want. except it won’t stop anything.

did the clinton ban really outlaw assault weapons? does the california, new jersey, etc current bans really outlaw assault weapons? no. the guns were modified to be legal and still sold. these are feel good attempts.

a person can walk into a venue with multiple semi-auto handguns and achieve the same results.

 

[SuperLuigi]

when will the left admit they want a ban on guns. it is the only thing that they think will do what they want. except it won’t stop anything.

The problem with the mainstream left in general is they can never tell you what they specifically want, because it’s whatever the flavour of the day is.

We have this problem with them when discussing tax rates all the time. They don’t want to say what exactly a “fair share” is.

If a gun ban is cool and will get them brownie points with preferred groups or on Facebook, they’ll roll with it. If sharia law is cool, they’ll roll with that and put it on placards.

 

[pnewton]

The problem is progressives view rules in terms of controlling people’s lives. That’s not the job of government, unless it is authoritarian or totalitarian

More vagaries and hand-waving… Virtually every government policy or program post-Spanish-American War directly harpoons your statement here.

Progressives don’t want to control your life. Quite the opposite.

Do you know what progressives and conservatives have in common? They like to exercise control when they are in power and oppose it when they are not. Also, they are both pro-life at times, depending on the issue, for example, the Dickey amendment passed to prevent research on gun violence lest it give reveal information that might aid in a reasonable regulation of firearms, or as the Second Amendment says, “well-regulated”.

 

[Vonsalza]

I disagree, thousands of citizens are victims of violent crimes every year.

Why should the good people have to retreat from the bad?

They don’t necessarily have to. But if the option of “flight” is available when faced with a potentially deadly confrontation, you’re morally and seemingly legally obligated to select it if it doesn’t present any immediate additional dangers to yourself or others.

If there’s a loon out in the street holding a gun and yelling obscenities, immediately challenging him directly with deadly force would be a phenomenal way to go to prison.

Call the cops. Hold your fire unless me makes potentially lethal aggression toward you specifically.

 

[MonteRCMS]

Very powerful and pointed statement. Excellently well done.

 

[MonteRCMS]

Not actually true.

A bolt in an abattoir is explicit designed for killing.

Maybe a rope noose.

 

[Vonsalza]

Certain CONCEPTS came from the military, such as blow back, but the ACTIONS for the 10/22 were not designed as people killers.

Look, if you want to make some sort of artificial distinction for the ways stroke length and cycle speed are controlled for a given round, fine with me.

The innovations for every type of action by which firearms are routinely classified are military in origin. Period. Civilian and recreational uses are distant secondary purposes for those innovations.

Mauser and Browning weren’t innovating for the sake of killing clay pigeons or Olympic target paper. I think you know this.

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

The problem is progressives view rules in terms of controlling people’s lives. That’s not the job of government, unless it is authoritarian or totalitarian

More vagaries and hand-waving… Virtually every government policy or program post-Spanish-American War directly harpoons your statement here.

Progressives don’t want to control your life. Quite the opposite.

Do you know what progressives and conservatives have in common? They like to exercise control when they are in power and oppose it when they are not. Also, they are both pro-life at times, depending on the issue, for example, the Dickey amendment passed to prevent research on gun violence lest it give reveal information that might aid in a reasonable regulation of firearms, or as the Second Amendment says, “well-regulated”.

I think that’s fair.

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

On the flip side, plenty of progressives might argue that conservatives are trying to control the lives of some gay folks who just want to call themselves “married”.

Per Vonnegut, “So it goes”.

Also incorrect, as conservatives prefer smaller government and so-called gay “marriage” means bigger government.

How? Instituting marriage as a secular concept required writ of government in the first place.

I think you have it exactly backwards on this issue.

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

Free trade killed Detroit. Whoever just happened to be in charge of the city at any particular moment secondary to that overwhelmingly primary causation.

Incorrect on both points.

Detriot was killed because of corrupt unions and failed Democrat leadership.

Respectfully, this is wistfully and uselessly vague.

Detroit died because it’s cheaper to build your Chevy in Mexico and ship it north by rail.

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

Progressives don’t want to control your life. Quite the opposite.

unless you don’t agree with their agenda.

they want you to pay for whatever a person feels he or she is entitled to.

abortion, birth control, obama phones, etc

The Obama Phone thing is an interesting case. The program it was built on was passed during the Reagan administration and it was lobbied to include cell phones by companies like Sprint and T-mobile.

Same with most of the things covered by food stamps… It’s big companies wanting some of that sweet tax money; not a bunch of do-nothing liberal minorities voting themselves entitlements.

 

[Brendan]

I see engineering efforts. Engineers at Marlin and Ruger sat down to design a mechanism for a specific purpose.

I claim that ‘people-hunting’ never entered their minds when they were designing the actions for the 10/22 or 60