Do you support the second amendment?

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So manufacturers and dealers have no idea how guns seem to disappear into thin air once they leave the production line?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
…wait, the Bible Teaches that God Created man with the inherent right to gun ownership and stockpiling, really?

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Angel
 
jcrichton said:
Jon, so if you believe that freedom is not a license, why are you against holding the manufacturers, distributors and vendors of a product whose main function is to end lives?

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Angel
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I’m not. I have asked you countless times to provide proof for your accusation. You choose not to. I even said I would stand with you against any specific gun dealers or manufacturers shown to be violating the law.
Do you have proof? The two previous AG’s were anti-gun. Certainly there is a court case you can link ( other than the charges against “Gun Runner Eric”).
If they break the law, hold them accountable.
 
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Jon, so if I travel around the country and start finding cars with keys in their ignitions and I appropriate them ‘cause, you know, they were abandoned’ and the police never catch me; but one day I start selling these cars on ebay or something… I’m not really a thief, just a creative used cars salesman?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
jcrichton said:
So manufacturers and dealers have no idea how guns seem to disappear into thin air once they leave the production line?

Maran atha!

Angel
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Should auto manufacturers and dealers know how cars are stolen and where the chop shops are?

Be specific. Name specific people and incidents.
 
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Jon, so if I travel around the country and start finding cars with keys in their ignitions and I appropriate them ‘cause, you know, they were abandoned’ and the police never catch me; but one day I start selling these cars on ebay or something… I’m not really a thief, just a creative used cars salesman?

Maran atha!

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You’re breaking the law, and I sure don’t think GM or Toyota should be blamed for it.
 
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so guns are vehicles of transport, now?

Maran atha!

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You’re the one going around stealing cars. You tell me.
I have a stronger case against you for car theft than you have given against the gun industry. I have an admission in print from you. You’ve shown nothing
 
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You win, Jon!

…they should get the novel prize for saving the nation from the oppression of the feds; hey, if a few hundred guns go missing from the production line whose to say they were not turned into cars or train cars… no bad; just manufacture some more!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
But you can’t prove it remember… the cars just simply showed up at my location-- I rescued them an search for a home for them; it’s like doing good for the poor vehicles and those owners without the means to get around.

Please, don’t fault me for doing a good thing.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
jcrichton said:
But you can’t prove it remember… the cars just simply showed up at my location-- I rescued them an search for a home for them; it’s like doing good for the poor vehicles and those owners without the means to get around.

Please, don’t fault me for doing a good thing.

Maran atha!

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You confessed…
 
jcrichton said:
You win, Jon!

…they should get the novel prize for saving the nation from the oppression of the feds; hey, if a few hundred guns go missing from the production line whose to say they were not turned into cars or train cars… no bad; just manufacture some more!

Maran atha!

Angel
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You haven’t proved that any guns went missing, other than by Eric Holder. Prove it.
 
jcrichton said:
Phil, the point is that a monarch rules from totalitarianism (N. Korea) answerable only to self; the federal government does not only have to answer to its constituency but they have a division of power that works together to hold the confederacy as a unit. What the colonists foresaw was the threat of a totalitarian power and the threat of its leaders seeking to make themselves into that power.

We do not have that today. It would be such a fantastic erosion of governance for this to take place in the US again, that the odds are astronomical… as that warning about the sun expiring in billions of years or that contract that scientologist are said to have to sign (two-billion year contract).
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Yes, I know and agree.

But the founders of the United States (especially the state legislatures) very very afraid of centralized power, which is why the United States started out under the Articles of Confederation (AOC). The central gov under the AOC was very weak, so weak that it didn’t work.

So when the Constitutional Convention came along, some states were eager to join (like Delaware & New Jersey) while other states were afraid of surrendering their sovereignty to a Federal Govt (like VA). Under the Articles of Confederation, the US was more like NATO than one nation. So each state was literally surrendering the independence they just won to a form a govt that never existed before.

Plus, the closest form of govt to the United States was the Roman Republic, which eventually tuned into the Roman Empire. The Founding Fathers knew this and so did the representatives in the State legislatures.

So the Bill of Rights were created to make some people feel better about the Constitution. Remember, it took a while for some of the states to ratify. Rhode Island was the last state to ratify, in 1790 and it passed by only 2 votes. In NY (the 11th state to ratify) only passed by 3 votes and was expected to fail. And Virginia, the largest state by far back then only passed by 10 votes.

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/ratification/map/

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The State of New York proposed the following to the Constitution:
That the People have a right to keep and bear Arms; that a well regulated Militia, including the body of the People capable of bearing Arms is the proper, natural and safe defence of a free State;

That the Militia should not be subject to Martial Law except in time of War, Rebellion or Insurrection.

That standing Armies in time of Peace are dangerous to Liberty, and ought not to be kept up, except in Cases of necessity; and that at all times, the Military should be under strict Subordination to the civil Power.

That in time of Peace no Soldier ought to be quartered in any House without the consent of the Owner, and in time of War only by the Civil Magistrate in such manner as the Laws may direct.
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/ratification/tansill/ratification-newyork/
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Point is, many were very afraid of an “American Caesar” or another President reinstating a monarchy.

God Bless
 
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the catechism says it, it is rare but some do deserve the death penalty but that is another thread
 
another thread. the vatican website still has the allowance. you have a newsclip. i’ll go vatican for now.
 
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