We do ask for birth certificates when it comes time to enroll the child in school and so forth. And human trafficking at the border (or otherwise toting along a child that may not belong to the adult) is absolutely a reality; acknowledging it is not xenophobia.
You are addressing the children that actually survived, right? Is your argument any different from parents who buy alcohol and drugs for their kids, as long as they use them “safely” at home? Dr. Phil does not like that at all. We are not talking about abortion.
If you do not produce a birth certificate, do they take away your child and send him to foster parents in protective custody? This is not the same thing as what we are doing to children at the border.LeafByNiggle:
We do ask for birth certificates when it comes time to enroll the child in school and so forth. And human trafficking at the border (or otherwise toting along a child that may not belong to the adult) is absolutely a reality; acknowledging it is not xenophobia.
Same question to you. Do they ship the child thousands of miles away if you lose his passport?LeafByNiggle:
When you cross the border, yes, we do.
These people are crossing our border. Prove the child is yours.
You do not know #5 to be true for all parents. And you cannot judge if #1-4 were justified without being in their shoes and knowing what alternatives they faced. It is very uncharitable to just assume the worst of all of them.
They’ll hold you and the kid at the border until you are verified. If you can’t be verified in a timely manner at the border, you will indeed be detained.Pup7:
Same question to you. Do they ship the child thousands of miles away if you lose his passport?LeafByNiggle:
When you cross the border, yes, we do.
These people are crossing our border. Prove the child is yours.
As I said before, a preferable solution is immediate deportation - together. It’s not ideal, but it is preferable to the shameful separation that has occurred, especially when the parents are deported without their children so that it becomes next to impossible for the government to reunited them, as we are now seeing.LeafByNiggle:
They’ll hold you and the kid at the border until you are verified. If you can’t be verified in a timely manner at the border, you will indeed be detained.Pup7:
Same question to you. Do they ship the child thousands of miles away if you lose his passport?LeafByNiggle:
When you cross the border, yes, we do.
These people are crossing our border. Prove the child is yours.
A US Citizen, by law, cannot be denied entry into their own country, so the situations cease to be similar at that point.
Unless you want to cough up more tax dollars and be reactionary to this problem (because it’s cyclical and in a few years we may not have this sudden surge in immigration), we’re doing the best we can, it’s within the law, and when you enter illegally you take your chances. This is the fault of the parent/caregiver, not the US government.
That’s pretty much a closed border policy. Also, I would guess that asylum laws (as we have to determine if they actually ARE eligible for asylum) forbid that.
To the child who dies at the hands of gangs in their home town, words about how their parents should not have risked the journey ring hollow.
You are not pointing out the truth. You are making uncharitable assumptions about their parents.
Why would it be wrong to take the steps necessary to ensure the children are with the adults they belong with?
What assumption do you mean? The uncharitable ones you have made about the parents?
I have no doubt that such criminally negligent parents exist. But what did you investigate them for? For drug dealing? For child pornography? For sex trafficking? For gross neglect? For any of these things I totally agree that the children should be taken away from such adults. But did you incarcerate parents whose only crime was trespassing because they feared for their lives and the lives of their children?
Who is?
Of course. Everyone wants money. I’ll bet you want money too. The claim you made though was that they came solely for the money.
If it could be done immediately without lengthy separations, then there would be nothing wrong with taking those steps to ensure the children belong to those adults. But apparently it cannot be done quickly. In that case, taking those steps does psychological harm to the children who really do belong with their parents. Also there is evidence that the zero-tolerance policy and the subsequent taking of the children was deliberately done to act as a deterrent to others who might want to enter. Jeff Sessions said so publicly. That casts doubt on the idea that this is all done to “protect the children.”stpaul:
Why would it be wrong to take the steps necessary to ensure the children are with the adults they belong with?
It was funny the first time you did this. Now it is getting old. Time to hang it up.