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BSHoop96
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Hi onetimeposter,
As this is #454 in posts a lot has been covered already. If you just jumped in here you might find some answers back at the beginning to help. This thread has actually gotten a little strange.
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As this is #454 in posts a lot has been covered already. If you just jumped in here you might find some answers back at the beginning to help. This thread has actually gotten a little strange.
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onetimeposter
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I wasn’t going to bring this up…but you’ve invited it. I’ve heard a theory floated that the Church not allowing priests to marry was a way to protect their assets and property from falling into the hands of the wives once the Priests passed on.
The point you raise…does make sense. Is this a form of protection and that is all? Or is it rooted Biblically. Weren’t Priests allowed to marry for the first three centuries…why the change?
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allhers
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I liked this explanation, clear back on post # 12 of this thread where dosdog sited this:
Celibacy of the Clergy
Speaking, for the moment, only of Western Christendom, the candidates for orders are solemnly warned by the bishop at the beginning of the ceremony regarding the gravity of the obligation which they are incurring. He tells them:
You ought anxiously to consider again and again what sort of a burden this is which you are taking upon you of your own accord. Up to this you are free. You may still, if you choose, turn to the aims and desires of the world (licet vobis pro artitrio ad caecularia vota transire). But if you receive this order (of the subdiaconate) it will no longer be lawful to turn back from your purpose. You will be required to continue in the service of God, and with His assistance to observe chastity and to be bound for ever in the ministrations of the Altar, to serve who is to reign.
By stepping forward despite this warning, when invited to do so, and by co-operating in the rest of the ordination service, the candidate is understood to bind himself equivalently by a vow of chastity. He is henceforth unable to contract a valid marriage, and any serious transgression in the matter of this vow is not only a grievous sin in itself but incurs the additional guilt of sacrilege.
newadvent.org/cathen/03481a.htm
Celibacy of the Clergy
Speaking, for the moment, only of Western Christendom, the candidates for orders are solemnly warned by the bishop at the beginning of the ceremony regarding the gravity of the obligation which they are incurring. He tells them:
You ought anxiously to consider again and again what sort of a burden this is which you are taking upon you of your own accord. Up to this you are free. You may still, if you choose, turn to the aims and desires of the world (licet vobis pro artitrio ad caecularia vota transire). But if you receive this order (of the subdiaconate) it will no longer be lawful to turn back from your purpose. You will be required to continue in the service of God, and with His assistance to observe chastity and to be bound for ever in the ministrations of the Altar, to serve who is to reign.
By stepping forward despite this warning, when invited to do so, and by co-operating in the rest of the ordination service, the candidate is understood to bind himself equivalently by a vow of chastity. He is henceforth unable to contract a valid marriage, and any serious transgression in the matter of this vow is not only a grievous sin in itself but incurs the additional guilt of sacrilege.
newadvent.org/cathen/03481a.htm
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distracted
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:clapping:
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onetimeposter
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Thanks much…
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Pier
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Good way to get a thread closed, among other things…
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allhers
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and thats an understatement.
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distracted
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you just want to insult everyone, don’t you? As if this poor man was just… well, the woman must have stolen any brains he might have had… (and of course, he couldn’t have had much of a brain…
)…and then u insult the Church (shouldn’t have ordained him)… then you insult natural love between a man and a woman calling it simple pleasure…Good grief… :banghead:
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distracted
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I could but then others would feel i was a little too above their level…
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BSHoop96
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You are absolutely bizarre. You haven’t been very forthright. In an earlier thread you said you haven’t said why you were celibrate and you weren’t going to because we obviously hadn’t cared enough to ask, something along those lines. To me that was a hint that you wanted us to ask, or know, or something. Then in following posts people actually mentioned falling in love with a priest and you did nothing set us straight on that. Plus, for a woman, you have somewhat of a strange obsession about celibacy for priests. So for all those reasons I sent you a post, not condemning you by the way, but trying to acknowledge you.You all are nuts… No one said anything about this kind of thing…
perhaps people here need to stop PRESUMING…
Why do you ASSUME i have this kind of thing going on…
that is just plain nuts… to assume such things… and run with it…
the original topic was celibacy… how i have been celibate for a long time and how it is un-natural … (though sometimes necessary and good for awhile… AWHILE)…
Anyway… have a good one…
and if you are having an affair with a priest or nun, i suggest you back off, give him/her some space, give him/her some time to pray… and you really need to give this to God… and let go… it is not right to lust after a priest (or nun). they have taken vows that are forever… You ought to be ahsamed of yourself…
You are sarcastic, rude, and bitter. “When people show themselves to you…believe them.” You did…and I do. Goodbye.
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distracted
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Thank you!! Excellent point…
And i have lived too long and seen too much not to suspect that this may be the case…
I love the Church but i am not blind to its problems… After all the hate i’ve experienced in life (50% of it here on the forums
), well, i guess i just don’t have a hard time believing anything pertaining to “human nature” anymore…You know, maybe its just the mood i am in right now, but i wonder if i am as Catholic as i used to be…
Guess i will have to sleep on that… or something…
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BSHoop96
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I used to think that too but actually that isn’t accurate. That was covered earlier also.
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allhers
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Although we do not find in the New Testament any indication of celibacy being made compulsory either upon the Apostles or those whom they ordained, we have ample warrant in the language of Our Saviour, and of St. Paul for looking upon virginity as the higher call, and by inference, as the condition befitting those who are set apart for the work of the ministry. In Matthew 19:12, Christ clearly commends those who, “for the sake of the kingdom of God”, have held aloof from the married state, though He adds: “he who can accept it, let him accept it”. St. Paul is even more explicit:
I would that all men were even as myself; but every one hath his proper gift from God … But I say to the unmarried and to the widows, it is good for them if they so continue, even as I…
But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is without a wife is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please God. But he that is with a wife, is solicitous for the things of the world, how he may please his wife: and he is divided. And the unmarried woman and the virgin thinketh on the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and spirit. But she that is married thinketh on the things of this world how she may please her husband. And this I speak for your profit, not to cast a snare upon you, but for that which is decent and which may give you power to attend upon the Lord without impediment.
(1 Corinthians 7:7-8 and 32-35)
and following:
newadvent.org/cathen/03481a.htm
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Pier
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What “assets”?
In the Bible, Jesus said that some men would give up sex for God’s sake…
Why is that being overlooked and ignored?!!
In the Bible, Jesus said that some men would give up sex for God’s sake…
Why is that being overlooked and ignored?!!
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distracted
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Huh? Please explain… maybe…
Well, i wanted to fit in here…
I can understand why you say sarcastic and maybe even rude… but “bitter”??
I am only bitter about one thing: that there isn’t more respect in the world… my sarcasm was the result of the snotty remarks of others. True, i don’t have to lower myself to their level… but hey, i am tired and hungry…
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Pier
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Matthew 19:12…
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allhers
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Why not get off of here for the night then? Talk to you later…probably tomorrow, not later tonight.Huh? Please explain… maybe…
Well, i wanted to fit in here…
I can understand why you say sarcastic and maybe even rude… but “bitter”??
I am only bitter about one thing: that there isn’t more respect in the world… my sarcasm was the result of the snotty remarks of others. True, i don’t have to lower myself to their level… but hey, i am tired and hungry…
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onetimeposter
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Yeah, but Anglican Priests can be married, convert over to Catholicism and keep their wives.
Matthew 19:12, doesn’t forbid anything…I just don’t quite get why Priests could marry for the first few hundred years and then suddenly couldn’t.
I’ve never spent much time thinking about this…but it is a bit of a puzzle.
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BSHoop96
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I thought you were leaving.Huh? Please explain… maybe…
Well, i wanted to fit in here…
I can understand why you say sarcastic and maybe even rude… but “bitter”??
I am only bitter about one thing: that there isn’t more respect in the world… my sarcasm was the result of the snotty remarks of others. True, i don’t have to lower myself to their level… but hey, i am tired and hungry…
By acknowledge I meant this: if you were in the situation that I so RUDELY presumed from your unclear threads that I thought you were in and just couldn’t come out and say…I wanted to acknowledge the pain and difficulty of such a situation.
Yes, bitter, as in cynical.
Now, goodbye, again.
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BSHoop96
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We went thru all this. Too tired to do it again. Read earlier posts.
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