Do You Think There Will Be an Official Postponement Beyond Nov 27, 2011 For the Implementation of the New Translation of the Roman Missal by the USCCB

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Why?

There apparently aren’t that many changes that affect the liturgy said by the laity.

Our church would have a few extra slides to add in (we don’t have missalettes).
 
Given the amount of fighting they’ve done and the amount of rectitude in our current Pope, I doubt the American bishops would have the temerity to postpone the introduction of this new translation. Now that it has been approved and given a “go-ahead”, it seems silly to assume that they’d push the implementation it forward. :o
 
I don’t think there will be an official postponement. However, we have been in a “coming soon” mode for teaching materials for almost a year at the parish level. Since the date is fast approaching, I think the chance for a smooth transition with well-informed parishioners is swiflty passing us by. The official word is that the information flow will be primarily through the religious ed group which is on “vacation” until September.

I also fully expect some push-back or delay from the publishers of missalettes and hymnals.
 
There is a group of dissenters, where else but in Seattle, that have essentially formed a pressure group to either delay implementation and/or restrict it to “selected parishes”. They feel that the new liturgy is being “forced” on them, and that all of the “progressive reforms of Vatican II” are being rolled back by a reactionary Church hierarchy. I have not checked all of the names (claimed to be over 22,000), but Fr. Michael Ryan, a priest at St. James cathedral in Seattle, is the prime mover behind it, according to the unbiased 😃 story in National Catholic Reporter, a source that is noted to be independent of the Magisterium.

The motivation behind this just might be a liberal/progressive backlash against Pope Benedict XVI - in part for his 1980s removal of Seattle’s “beloved” Archbishop Raymond Hunthausen (of “gay” masses infamy and other abuses) from power. Seattle is an extremely liberal Archdiocese, and our new Archbishop, as well as Fr. Ryan, and the entire archdiocese certainly can use prayers regarding this dissent.
 
po18guy said:
There is a group of dissenters, where else but in Seattle, that have essentially formed a pressure group to either delay implementation and/or restrict it to “selected parishes”. They feel that the new liturgy is being “forced” on them, and that all of the “progressive reforms of Vatican II” are being rolled back by a reactionary Church hierarchy. I have not checked all of the names (claimed to be over 22,000), but Fr. Michael Ryan, a priest at St. James cathedral in Seattle, is the prime mover behind it, according to the unbiased 😃 story in National Catholic Reporter, a source that is noted to be independent of the Magisterium.

The motivation behind this just might be a liberal/progressive backlash against Pope Benedict XVI - in part for his 1980s removal of Seattle’s “beloved” Archbishop Raymond Hunthausen (of “gay” masses infamy and other abuses) from power. Seattle is an extremely liberal Archdiocese, and our new Archbishop, as well as Fr. Ryan, and the entire archdiocese certainly can use prayers regarding this dissent.
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The Novus ordo was forced on the faithful in the early 70s.
 
This has been years coming, not like sufficient notice was given.
 
This is not even subject to debate. The copyrights have been settled and effective on the date stated. Those in violation have not only their bishops to answer to but also possibly to civil courts as well.

Those who oppose the new language can either attend another liturgy of an approved translation, a Latin OF, an EF, or a DL.
 
po18guy said:
There is a group of dissenters, where else but in Seattle, that have essentially formed a pressure group to either delay implementation and/or restrict it to “selected parishes”. They feel that the new liturgy is being “forced” on them, and that all of the “progressive reforms of Vatican II” are being rolled back by a reactionary Church hierarchy. I have not checked all of the names (claimed to be over 22,000), but Fr. Michael Ryan, a priest at St. James cathedral in Seattle, is the prime mover behind it, according to the unbiased 😃 story in National Catholic Reporter, a source that is noted to be independent of the Magisterium.

The motivation behind this just might be a liberal/progressive backlash against Pope Benedict XVI - in part for his 1980s removal of Seattle’s “beloved” Archbishop Raymond Hunthausen (of “gay” masses infamy and other abuses) from power. Seattle is an extremely liberal Archdiocese, and our new Archbishop, as well as Fr. Ryan, and the entire archdiocese certainly can use prayers regarding this dissent.
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That NCRep stoy is over a year and a half old. The “pressure” has come to naught. 🙂

If I was a betting person, I would lay a wager that these dissenters aren’t following the GIRM anyway. So what’s a little more disobedience. :mad:
 
Florida123 said:
The Novus ordo was forced on the faithful in the early 70s.
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Well, if that’s how you feel about it. 🤷 But, “forced” implies no choice. You were always free to leave the Church, weren’t you? You were also free to choose to accept the vernacular mass. We know that the Church is not, and has never been a democracy. It is not the laity, but the Bishops, who answer to God for their shepherding of their flocks. We answer to God for our obedience to those whom He has placed over us. Where is the obedience in all of this? Is the NO sinful? We can certainly disobey in cases of sin.
 
po18guy said:
You were always free to leave the Church, weren’t you? You were also free to choose to accept the vernacular mass.
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We were also free to attend the New Mass in Latin. However, there were none to speak of. The ICEL was about the only choice in the English-speaking world. Didn’t work very well for the Poles and hispanics. Now however, we have Polish, Spanish, Vietnamese, and other languages made much more available.
 
Corki said:
That NCRep stoy is over a year and a half old. The “pressure” has come to naught. 🙂

If I was a betting person, I would lay a wager that these dissenters aren’t following the GIRM anyway. So what’s a little more disobedience. :mad:
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The dissenters are crying now that the reform of the reform is at the doorstep. I would guess that most of the clerical dissenters are the 1960s remnant that are ready for retirement. I shall wait to see if Fr. Ryan repents of his dissent, or if he will still be active one year hence.
 
Is this happening in all English speaking countries, the new missal?

Is the book about the new mass on this site applicable for UK and Australia?
 
asd72 said:
Is this happening in all English speaking countries, the new missal?

Is the book about the new mass on this site applicable for UK and Australia?
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The sources that I have seen indicate America. You will probably have to check your Diocese’s site. Do you respond to the priest “and with your spirit” now? If so, then the changes may not affect you.
 
Corki said:
I don’t think there will be an official postponement. However, we have been in a “coming soon” mode for teaching materials for almost a year at the parish level. Since the date is fast approaching, I think the chance for a smooth transition with well-informed parishioners is swiflty passing us by. The official word is that the information flow will be primarily through the religious ed group which is on “vacation” until September.

I also fully expect some push-back or delay from the publishers of missalettes and hymnals.
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There won’t be a delay. We have all our resources ordered. The changes in the peoples part is about one page worth. Certainly not a lot to learn.
 
Barbkw said:
Why?

There apparently aren’t that many changes that affect the liturgy said by the laity.

Our church would have a few extra slides to add in (we don’t have missalettes).
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That’s not true. Just about all the responses have changes: the Confiteor, the Gloria, both Creeds, the Memorial Acclamations, the Sanctus, etc.
 
Phemie said:
That’s not true. Just about all the responses have changes: the Confiteor, the Gloria, both Creeds, the Memorial Acclamations, the Sanctus, etc.
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Yes, but the actual words changed can be fit on one page. We received a sample pew card in the mail with all the entire texts of changed prayers of the people. It is 9x7 two sided. In doing a presentation I highlighted all the changed words, there really aren’t many changes. The priests have the major change…a significant change. The Gloria has the biggest change, the Creed has a few words, the Sanctus one word. The acclamations are rewritten but they are one sentence each.

It is not going to be big deal. I have done a number of workshops already and the response has been very positive and no one seemed to think this was going to be too difficult a transition. I think a lot will have to do with how the priests present it…if they introduce it in a positive light the response will be positive…if they are negative about it that will be reflected in the people’s acceptance of it.
 
Joannm said:
Yes, but the actual words changed can be fit on one page. We received a sample pew card in the mail with all the entire texts of changed prayers of the people. It is 9x7 two sided. In doing a presentation I highlighted all the changed words, there really aren’t many changes. The priests have the major change…a significant change. The Gloria has the biggest change, the Creed has a few words, the Sanctus one word. The acclamations are rewritten but they are one sentence each.

It is not going to be big deal. I have done a number of workshops already and the response has been very positive and no one seemed to think this was going to be too difficult a transition. I think a lot will have to do with how the priests present it…if they introduce it in a positive light the response will be positive…if they are negative about it that will be reflected in the people’s acceptance of it.
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I was not Catholic at the time that the Novus Ordo was introduced. But, based on the current reaction to a relatively minor change, there must have been sporadic gunfire back then…
 
Joannm said:
It is not going to be big deal.
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It is if you’re one of those who have committed the current prayers to memory. People generally despise changes of any kind (unless it profits them somehow). And especially so when they have to rememorize. The “and also with you” response has been so ingrained among most that even outside the liturgy they use it. I notice even the Divine Liturgies and Protestant liturgies use this response. And it’s not just the simple responses. Most of the Mass music will be changing, and, of course, some might get shocked to hear the “for many” at the consecration. And since there are copyrights on the entire English missal involved, there is no easy way to smooth things into the liturgy, like one small change per week.

Those who aren’t particularly enamored with the current translation, of course, would be more accepting of the changes. But then you still have to accept the current translation as valid until stated date.
 
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