Does 8am Saturday TLM fulfill Sunday obligation?

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Joe_5859 said:
We need to be careful not to conflate two separate issues.

Yes, ordinarily a Saturday evening Mass will use the Sunday readings. But there are exceptions: weddings, funerals, etc. This is where it comes into play.

The Canon says only “A person who assists at a Mass celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the feast day itself or in the evening of the preceding day satisfies the obligation of participating in the Mass.” It doesn’t say anything about having to be after First Vespers or using the readings for the day.

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I think you are splitting hairs that shouldn’t be split. As I understand it, the mind of the Church is that evening begins at First Vespers and we should think with the mind of the Church. I also understand that there are cases where another Mass may be used in place of the Sunday Mass, except, of course, on Solemnities.

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The Nuptial Mass and the Mass of Christian Burial are votive Masses that are not permitted to be celebrated on Sundays.
 
liturgyluver said:
Yes it is. The Saturday evening mass is, in effect, the Sunday Mass which is why it fulfills the obligation. You cannot attend a mass which has Saturday’s readings and fulfil your obligation.
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That is not correct. The readings are not relevant to the Sunday obligation being fulfilled.
Attending a Saturday evening Mass fulfills the Sunday obligation, no matter what the readings are.
 
sw85 said:
There was some kerfluffle about this on Fr. Z’s blog recently and Ed Peters, a canonist of note, weighed in. Evening Masses always fulfill the following day’s obligation regardless of choice of readings.

It is not a Sunday Mass unless it has readings for Sunday Mass, but we are not obliged to attend a Sunday Mass, just a Mass on Sunday. Follow?
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Okay - I got it. But wouldn’t it be illicit to use random readings, rather than those for the lectionary? I think the defeats the spirit of what was intended.
 
JM3 said:
On the contrary, Masses before the First Vespers of Sunday would not fulfill the Sunday obligation and to use Saturday readings on Sunday would appear to me to be liturgical abuse. That is, of course, only my opinion.
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Yes. I would agree with your analysis.
 
liturgyluver said:
Okay - I got it. But wouldn’t it be illicit to use random readings, rather than those for the lectionary? I think the defeats the spirit of what was intended.
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As far as I know, yes, it is forbidden for a priest to substitute readings on his own initiative. They must be approved for the day or, if it is a Mass for a special purpose (such as a wedding), they must be appropriate for that purpose.
 
liturgyluver said:
Okay - I got it. But wouldn’t it be illicit to use random readings, rather than those for the lectionary? I think the defeats the spirit of what was intended.
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Yes, but the Church does not make people verify a Mass’s liceity–dear God!–before extending the indulgence of fulfilling obligation to it.
 
liturgyluver said:
Okay - I got it. But wouldn’t it be illicit to use random readings, rather than those for the lectionary? I think the defeats the spirit of what was intended.
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No one has proposed “random readings”.

Wedding Masses-- which is the example you used-- have proper readings. See Lectionary IV, Ritual Masses. Weddings at 7 p.m. on Saturday evening, using wedding readings, fulfill the Sunday obligation.
 
aemcpa said:
The Nuptial Mass and the Mass of Christian Burial are votive Masses that are not permitted to be celebrated on Sundays.
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While Masses for the Dead were prohibited on Sunday in the Tridentine missal, they are not prohibited in the missal of Paul VI.(This is why All Souls Day is observed on a Sunday in the OF.) Nuptial Masses were never prohibited on Sunday. While both are extremely uncommon on a Sunday, neither are categorically forbidden.
 
Chatter163 said:
While Masses for the Dead were prohibited on Sunday in the Tridentine missal, they are not prohibited in the missal of Paul VI.(This is why All Souls Day is observed on a Sunday in the OF.) Nuptial Masses were never prohibited on Sunday. While both are extremely uncommon on a Sunday, neither are categorically forbidden.
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You can be married on a Sunday, but not with the Nuptial Mass. The Rite of Marriage is inserted into the Sunday Mass.
 
YoungTradCath said:
Yes, but the Church does not make people verify a Mass’s liceity–dear God!–before extending the indulgence of fulfilling obligation to it.
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But -dear God! - the scenario you are suggesting would simply never take place save for the highly unlikely scenario of a Saturday evening wedding mass. Who the hell has their wedding in the evening?
 
aemcpa said:
You can be married on a Sunday, but not with the Nuptial Mass. The Rite of Marriage is inserted into the Sunday Mass.
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So would that mean that the any marriage that takes place on either sat night or sunday would indeed use the sunday readings so it is, in fact, the Sunday mass.
 
liturgyluver said:
But -dear God! - the scenario you are suggesting would simply never take place save for the highly unlikely scenario of a Saturday evening wedding mass. Who the hell has their wedding in the evening?
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Plenty of people. I think a wedding is suited for the morning or early afternoon, but people do get married later.
 
liturgyluver said:
But -dear God! - the scenario you are suggesting would simply never take place save for the highly unlikely scenario of a Saturday evening wedding mass. Who the hell has their wedding in the evening?
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A Saturday evening wedding mass need not use the Sunday readings. It may use ritual mass readings. Nothing illicit at all.
 
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