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I have a VERY politically incorrect question. Please bear with me.

The church seems to have done nothing about it’s pedophile priests. It all seems to be covered up, and not dealt with.

Bishop Williamson, the SSPX bishop who denied the Holocaust, was shunned by the community and almost kicked out.

Now… I’m trying to look at this from a clear perspective…

Why is seemingly nothing being done about the pedophile priests, but as soon as a priest questions a piece of history, he’s almost kicked out???

One’s outwardly and gravely sinful, the other is maybe from stupidity or ignorance…

Shouldn’t people create much for of a fuss from a gravely and serious sinful act than some bishop who just has a historical opinion?

Does anybody else see this???
 
I don’t how you can say that nothing is being done about pedophile priests. Many have been “kicked out” and are being brought up on civil charges.

The Church has spoken out and apologized over and over again related to priestly abuse.

Thus far, I have seen no apology coming from the SSPX.
 
aball1035 said:
I have a VERY politically incorrect question. Please bear with me.

The church seems to have done nothing about it’s pedophile priests. It all seems to be covered up, and not dealt with.

Bishop Williamson, the SSPX bishop who denied the Holocaust, was shunned by the community and almost kicked out.

Now… I’m trying to look at this from a clear perspective…

Why is seemingly nothing being done about the pedophile priests, but as soon as a priest questions a piece of history, he’s almost kicked out???

One’s outwardly and gravely sinful, the other is maybe from stupidity or ignorance…

Shouldn’t people create much for of a fuss from a gravely and serious sinful act than some bishop who just has a historical opinion?

Does anybody else see this???
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What do you mean the church has done noting about the scandle with these few priest?
they have been deflocked and turned over to the civla authorities were it is found that the case have merit. As a matter of fact at the first moment that a priest is accused they are removed from public ministry and a full investigation is begun. For those that are innocent, it has a very negative effect as they carry with them always that accuzation. One is never totally free from it. For the few that are guilty may god have mercy. to say that the Church is tring to cover it up is just blind to the last 15 years at least.
 
Indyann said:
I don’t how you can say that nothing is being done about pedophile priests. Many have been “kicked out” and are being brought up on civil charges.

The Church has spoken out and apologized over and over again related to priestly abuse.

Thus far, I have seen no apology coming from the SSPX.
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The church is doing a lot about pedophile priests…what makes you say they aren’t?
 
What more should the Church do with these priests? Most of them committed their crimes years ago and are long dead, a lot of them left the priesthood decades ago and cannot be located. There have been very few reported incidents in the last 10 -15 years and those guys have been turned over to the secular authorities to answer in criminal courts for what they have done. My diocese has paid out MORE THAN ONE HALF OF A BILLION DOLLARS in settlement cash to less than 200 people who made these claims. (Our bishop was concerned that there would not be enough money for every one, so we settled out of court; not one of the priests in question was allowed to face his acusor in court.) The bishops and two Popes have spoken up nationaly and world wide and condemned these sins and the American bishops have a no tolerence policy in place that is the strictist in the nation. Whenever a rare case does come to the news media attention, they all rush to the scene and have a good ol’ time recounting previous cases that have been settled years ago. By the way, you are about 1000 times more likely to be molested by a family member than by a Catholic priest.
 
aball1035 said:
I have a VERY politically incorrect question. Please bear with me.

The church seems to have done nothing about it’s pedophile priests. It all seems to be covered up, and not dealt with.

Bishop Williamson, the SSPX bishop who denied the Holocaust, was shunned by the community and almost kicked out.

Now… I’m trying to look at this from a clear perspective…

Why is seemingly nothing being done about the pedophile priests, but as soon as a priest questions a piece of history, he’s almost kicked out???

One’s outwardly and gravely sinful, the other is maybe from stupidity or ignorance…

Shouldn’t people create much for of a fuss from a gravely and serious sinful act than some bishop who just has a historical opinion?

Does anybody else see this???
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Alex, may I suggest you get your information from other than just the rabidly anti-Catholic national media?

The Church, especially this Pope, has done much to respond to the problem.

The media, on the other hand, loves to keep the flames of this thing burning by presenting skewed information about abuse that occurred mostly in the 1960’s - 1980’s, as if it happened yesterday. “It was recently discovered…” The Church has taken many steps to deal with this situation, more than any other institution of its size.
 
Scoobyshme said:
Alex, may I suggest you get your information from other than just the rabidly anti-Catholic national media?

The Church, especially this Pope, has done much to respond to the problem.

The media, on the other hand, loves to keep the flames of this thing burning by presenting skewed information about abuse that occurred mostly in the 1960’s - 1980’s, as if it happened yesterday. “It was recently discovered…” The Church has taken many steps to deal with this situation, more than any other institution of its size.
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Hear hear! 👍👍
 
aball1035 said:
I have a VERY politically incorrect question. Please bear with me.

The church seems to have done nothing about it’s pedophile priests. It all seems to be covered up, and not dealt with.

Bishop Williamson, the SSPX bishop who denied the Holocaust, was shunned by the community and almost kicked out.

Now… I’m trying to look at this from a clear perspective…

Why is seemingly nothing being done about the pedophile priests, but as soon as a priest questions a piece of history, he’s almost kicked out???

One’s outwardly and gravely sinful, the other is maybe from stupidity or ignorance…

Shouldn’t people create much for of a fuss from a gravely and serious sinful act than some bishop who just has a historical opinion?

Does anybody else see this???
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The clerical abuse that was “covered up” was back in the 60’s and 70’s when paedophilia was very little understood, even by the scientific community of psychologists, and it was seen as “curable” so therapy etc was prescibed and the priest was relocated, as was the norm with all types of paedophilia at the time. However when it came to light it was not a disease that could be cured, and punishments by civil law became enacted, the statute of limitation within the civil corts was long gone, let alone within the canonical courts of the Church, so by law, the Church could not act on what new information it had, however all clerical abuse recently has been dealt with harshly, a life sentence within a monastery is alot better then being defrocked, as monastic life cuts them off from society, unable to pray on children any longer, and i suspect the Brothers give them the worst jobs within the monastery 😉

The Bishop that denied the Holocaust (may God bring the victims to ever lasting happiness, and have mercy on those responsible), also offended many in the Jewish community, which the Church is continually reaching out to, and never apologized for his gravely offensive claims, whereas the Church has repeatedly apologized that so many (only about 2-4%) of the clergy has commited such heinous acts.
 
I agree with much of the responses posted here to the premise that the Church is doing nothing about Priests.

Additionally, I can tell you all that we had a friend who WAS a Priest in our Diocese. He was ordained under a Bishop who has since died. A new Bishop was appointed and ordered a review of all the files for the Diocesan Priests…not only of their records as Priests, but as individuals prior to their becoming Priests.

Our freind was taken out of the Priesthood because of an incident in his past life where he was of age, and a girl who lied about her age to him.

The new Bishop being sensitive to public opinion ordered him to resign and leave the
Priesthood. He had not done anything since that one incident, but that and public opinion was sufficient to remove him from office.

You can say that the Church is not doing enough. That is the popular harangue this days, and it’s also fashionable (and profitable for some) to demean the Church. I will respond that no other group Church or otherwise has had its head apologize not only once but at least three times publicly, and instituted stricter rules on its priesthood. You can even leave the Church as some have over the scandal. Most of the folks I know that have left were nominal Catholics at best anyway.

Considering the maligning that is being endured by the 99% of the priesthood that are doing their jobs and are not pedophiles or adulterers or sexual addicts or jaywalkers, I think the Church still has a lot to be thankful for in its priesthood.

bob gorski
 
aball1035 said:
I have a VERY politically incorrect question. Please bear with me.

The church seems to have done nothing about it’s pedophile priests. It all seems to be covered up, and not dealt with.
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Keep researching and you will find that much has been, is being, and will be done. The Church’s medicinal remedies are not prescribed on our timetable, but God’s.
 
Maybe I don’t mean that nothing is being done-it’s just that it seems like every year a new swarm of accusations come to light. I’m wondering why this wasn’t dealt with years ago
 
Some of those accusations are FALSE. And everyone else has already explained in depth that most of the true ones, happened years and years ago. Also the publicity will ALWAYS make it seem as if the molestations are still happening and in fact, are increasing. This is anti-Catholicism, attacking the Church as it always has.

There are so many more child molesters than Catholic priests. It’s just that the other molesters don’t get the publicity that priests do.
 
The thing I find strange is that only ONE person responding to the OP has mentioned the fact that there WAS a cover up - the Priests were moved around. I know one person has already explained why, but can someone else clarify? Is there an official statement about why the Priests were moved around initially? You can’t defend that based on “oh we didn’t know it was incurable” - yes thats all fine and dandy, but surely people still knew in the 1970s that it was sinful - and certainly not acceptable behaviour by Priests in a position of trust. What logical explanation is there for them to be moved and exposed to more children instead of being removed from holy orders completely?
 
LemonAndLime said:
The thing I find strange is that only ONE person responding to the OP has mentioned the fact that there WAS a cover up - the Priests were moved around. I know one person has already explained why, but can someone else clarify? Is there an official statement about why the Priests were moved around initially? You can’t defend that based on “oh we didn’t know it was incurable” - yes thats all fine and dandy, but surely people still knew in the 1970s that it was sinful - and certainly not acceptable behaviour by Priests in a position of trust. What logical explanation is there for them to be moved and exposed to more children instead of being removed from holy orders completely?
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Because the Ch urch believes in repentance. Presumably these men had repented of their sins. The Bishops did not know that their nature was so disordered that they could not remain faithful.

Just like when you or I repent of our sins, we have a firm purpose of not sinning again. Do we sin again?
 
Skeptic92 said:
The Bishop that denied the Holocaust (may God bring the victims to ever lasting happiness, and have mercy on those responsible), also offended many in the Jewish community, which the Church is continually reaching out to, and never apologized for his gravely offensive claims, whereas the Church has repeatedly apologized that so many (only about 2-4%) of the clergy has commited such heinous acts.
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I didn’t hear him say anything “gravely offensive” at all. All he really did was to deny an aspect of history…

If I were to deny Mao Ze-Dong’s killing of several million or Stalin’s killing of 20 million based on personal evidence I came up with, people would thing I was crazy, but not evil.

Denying the Holocaust itself isn’t anything bad-certainly not what today’s media claims it to be. One has to read in between the lines at those sort of claims. If the bishop intended harm through his statements, it truly would be grave. However, I didn’t see anything bad about what he said whatsoever.
 
aball1035 said:
I didn’t hear him say anything “gravely offensive” at all. All he really did was to deny an aspect of history…

If I were to deny Mao Ze-Dong’s killing of several million or Stalin’s killing of 20 million based on personal evidence I came up with, people would thing I was crazy, but not evil.

Denying the Holocaust itself isn’t anything bad-certainly not what today’s media claims it to be. One has to read in between the lines at those sort of claims. If the bishop intended harm through his statements, it truly would be grave. However, I didn’t see anything bad about what he said whatsoever.
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You must remember, people would have lost fathers, mothers, uncles, cousins, second cousins, friends & family in the holocaust. Denying the Holocaust is going to deeply offend this community, can you imagine someone killing your family, just because they can, and then someone (of a position like a Bishop) denying that it ever happend? Would that not cause you deep offense, and deeply upset you?
 
Skeptic92 said:
You must remember, people would have lost fathers, mothers, uncles, cousins, second cousins, friends & family in the holocaust. Denying the Holocaust is going to deeply offend this community, can you imagine someone killing your family, just because they can, and then someone (of a position like a Bishop) denying that it ever happend? Would that not cause you deep offense, and deeply upset you?
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I agree, it would greatly offend me to the core. However, that doesn’t mean he hated me or that he was “anti-Alex”, just maybe that he had bad information or didn’t know when to keep quiet so as to not offend people.
 
aball1035 said:
I agree, it would greatly offend me to the core. However, that doesn’t mean he hated me or that he was “anti-Alex”, just maybe that he had bad information or didn’t know when to keep quiet so as to not offend people.
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The main reason for the threaten of his excommunication was political though, the Church is reaching out to the Jewish community, comments like that strain that relationship to breaking point, how can you build a relationship with a community, with someone in a position of power within the Church denying the holocaust, and deeply offending the Jewish community?
 
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