Does anyone here go to a Traditional Mass that is not Sedevecantist, not indult and is in union with Rome?

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I think I’ll just rephrase this question and ask it again. Thanks.
 
Does anyone go to a Traditional Mass (that is not sedevacantist and is in union with Rome) where the OF is not also offered?
 
Chatter163 said:
How is the term *indult *used in this thread? Since Summorum Pontificum, there is no longer an indult. The Holy Father gave every priest the right to celebrate TLM, he gave it a specific name–the Extraordinary Form–and confirmed that the 1962 missal had never been suppressed. There is no more indult.
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Good point, and I don’t think the OP needs to rephrase the original question and start a whole new thread just because of that detail.🙂
 
Sabeth123 said:
What about one that in addition does not celebrate the OF?
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Here in the diocese of Arlington, all parishes celebrate the OF. In addition, 10 or 12 parishes also celebrate the EF. Certain parishes celebrate the OF in Latin.

Obviously I have been to certain Masses with more polished music and more pomp, but I have never been to an irreverant or “abusive” Mass in this diocese. We have a wonderful bishop! 😃

*abusive is in quotes in order to cover some of the things that are discussed here that are not truly an abuse - such as people greeting each other before Mass.
 
Do you mean a parish that only celebrates the EF? I haven’t yet but there is one under construction in Houston and I hope to attend soon.
 
There are the two ICRSP parishes in Illinois (Chicago and Rockford) and at least one in Wisconsin (Green Bay) which are exclusively EF.

I understand there is an FSSP parish in Denver or close-by.
 
Sigh…I only wish we had one of them parishes here. I am about 2 hours from the Houston parish Corki mentioned, and I have 4 boys ages 10 and under,so the wife would say No to us being regular members there.

Sigh…
 
Hate to be so stupid, but what is OF and EF? in the traditional Mass?:confused:
 
OF= Ordinary Form (Missal of Paul VI aka Novus Ordo Mass, aka Mass of Vatican Ii)
EF= Extraordinary Form (Missal of John XXIII, aka Traditional Latin Mass)
 
Chatter163 said:
How is the term *indult *used in this thread? Since Summorum Pontificum, there is no longer an indult. The Holy Father gave every priest the right to celebrate TLM, he gave it a specific name–the Extraordinary Form–and confirmed that the 1962 missal had never been suppressed. There is no more indult.
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Hmmmm Technically that is true but in my diocese there is no EF mass. Well, maybe one a month 5 hours from any sort of population center. But even that is sketchy. Many priests have wanted to start up an EF Mass but cannot.
 
Moore11 said:
Hmmmm Technically that is true but in my diocese there is no EF mass. Well, maybe one a month 5 hours from any sort of population center. But even that is sketchy. Many priests have wanted to start up an EF Mass but cannot.
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That is because they are still bound to their promise of obedience to their bishop. Yes, they are given the ‘right’ to celebrate it, but that refers to it being celebrated privately.
Art. 2. In Masses celebrated without the people, each Catholic priest of the Latin rite, whether secular or regular, may use the Roman Missal published by Bl. Pope John XXIII in 1962, or the Roman Missal promulgated by Pope Paul VI in 1970, and may do so on any day with the exception of the Easter Triduum. For such celebrations, with either one Missal or the other, the priest has no need for permission from the Apostolic See or from his Ordinary.
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However, if there is to be a regular, public celebration, it must still need the permission of the bishop. He still has some discretion in this regard. This is also technically true of OF masses as well. If a bishop forbids the priest from offering a scheduled OF mass, then the priest is bound to obey, so the EF has no special privileges in this regard.
Art. 5. § 1 In parishes, where there is a stable group of faithful who adhere to the earlier liturgical tradition, the pastor should willingly accept their requests to celebrate the Mass according to the rite of the Roman Missal published in 1962, and ensure that the welfare of these faithful harmonises with the ordinary pastoral care of the parish, under the guidance of the bishop in accordance with canon 392, avoiding discord and favouring the unity of the whole Church.
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Remember, no priest has an unfettered right that is not subordinate to their promise of obedience to their ordinary in some way, unless the bishop asks them to sin.

But fear not! There is a route of recourse, if you can gather enough people who is in agreement with you.
Art. 7. If a group of lay faithful, as mentioned in art. 5 § 1, has not obtained satisfaction to their requests from the pastor, they should inform the diocesan bishop. The bishop is strongly requested to satisfy their wishes. If he cannot arrange for such celebration to take place, the matter should be referred to the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei”.
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However, do not take this as an unfettered right, as the Ecclesia Dei can still deny such requests. Also, one must remember that our respect of our ordinary is still of utmost importance. Even if he denies you the Traditional Latin Mass, we must give our ordinary the honour that is due to him. 🙂
 
There are three parishes in the Diocese of Buffalo which offer the Tridentine Mass: St. Anthony of Padua (downtown Buffalo, Sundays at 9 AM and on holy days of obligation,) Our Lady Help of Christians in Cheektowaga, Sundays at 1:30 PM, and a parish in Cuba, NY (about an hour and a half from me, so the name of the parish escapes me.) All three are diocesan parishes and in full communion with Rome.

I would like to see a Tridentine Mass offered in the northern area of the diocese, to prevent having to drive for half an hour in bad weather, but haven;t figured out who to approach or how to do that to see if there is any interest.

My own parish is actually a consolidated parish, resulting from the consolidation of three parishes, plus the pastor “covers” at a parish thirty minutes from my home parish. He does a great job, and has been a driving force behind getting three different parishes to develop a new identity as a single parish, but the poor man looks exhausted. Privately, I fear for his health. I wouldn’t even think of bringing up this additional project to him unless we had a second priest, which doesn’t look like it’s going to happen anytime soon. It’s a shame, too: Father has an incredibly rich baritone voice when he does any sort of chant, and the church itself is a beautiful, late 19th century structure which would lend itself beautifully to an EF Mass.

So when the spirit moves me, I trundle off half an hour away, usually to St. Anthony’s for an EF Mass. Right now I’m recovering from back surgery, and so am dispensed from attending Mass until my recovery moves along more. I miss Mass, ANY Mass, and watching on TV, even though I’m doing so because I’m essentially a shut-in because of the bad weather (can’t risk a fall on ice with a fresh spinal fusion) just doesn’t cut it for me!

I am not aware of any EF Masses offered by FSSP or SSPX in this diocese.
 
John XXIII, not John XXII.

John XXII was born in the 13th century.
 
Faithdancer said:
Hans, the December 24th, 2012 Vigil Mass celebrated by the Pope is posted on YouTube. It is an OF Mass, celebrated in Latin, with the only Italian occurring in the readings and in the homily. It is lovely, imho!
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I noticed that too. I saw the Christmas Vigil mass on TV. I turned it on when they were saying the Credo. At first I thought, hey the Italian is almost the same as the Latin. I kept watching and figured out that it was almost all in Latin. The Pope must have a soft spot for the Latin.

To answer the OP question, yes I attend a weekly Tridentine mass at local parish: St. Therese in Alhambra, CA.
 
Filii_Dei said:
That is because they are still bound to their promise of obedience to their bishop. Yes, they are given the ‘right’ to celebrate it, but that refers to it being celebrated privately.

However, if there is to be a regular, public celebration, it must still need the permission of the bishop. He still has some discretion in this regard. This is also technically true of OF masses as well. If a bishop forbids the priest from offering a scheduled OF mass, then the priest is bound to obey, so the EF has no special privileges in this regard.
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Not true. Permission would be needed from the pastor or rector of the place, just as for the celebration of any Mass, but not the bishop. The whole purpose of SP was to remove the need for a priest to obtain specific permission from his bishop.
 
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