In other threads you were trying to equate so-called “same-sex marriage” to traditional marriage by arguing that heterosexual couples are infertile. Why would heterosexual couples need birth control if we are infertile? You contradict yourself.
And it all free and government approved, so that makes it right and just. Susan B. is rolling over in her grave.
No, self insured businesses do not purchase a plan. They use insurance companies to administer the plans. The insurance company provides claims service, record keeping and actuarial support. It’s purely a service contract, not a purchase of anything.
The objection being that the insurance company is not the one providing the coverage. They become the enforcer for the mandate by adding this “extra” to each and every plan, whether it’s wanted or not.
Yes, it shifted the responsibility to the administration side. But what the mandate did not do, contrary to popular opinion is to make the providing of this “on the insurance companies shoulders”. The insurance company is not required to pay for the coverage and can pass on the expense by adding it to the employer’s cost or service contract. ** It just won’t be listed on the employer’s schedule of benefits that is given to all employees when they sign up for insurance coverage. **
Also true for the abortion premium. Section 1303 of ObamaTax. Insurance plans will have a $1 premium of which will be for people who want abortion. Law prohibits insurance plans from advertising that an abortion premium is required in a plan
I’m not getting it. Do you really believe the insurance company is just going to eat this extra expense? That is the only way I can see you claiming that the employee is not going to be paying for these extra “benefits”.
And that doesn’t bother you at all? That’s the point.Well, then let them pay the fines or disobey the mandate
The same can be said for paying taxes (which also pay for birth control). You can either pay them or go to jail. Your choice. The mandate is no different.
She has what she wants and principles are meaningless. The new progressive Catholic hiding behind the government; not like the 60’s when they demanded what was right.
If you provide a health care plan - that openly does not provide birth control - and all potential employees are so advised it is their choice as to seek employment with the company or not. That would be a voluntary choice. You are not telling them “to become” or “to join” your faith. And they can still work with your company regardless of their faith.
How is it force when the product you are referring to is legal and available? You can walk down to the local pharmacy and buy birth control. You can also unfortunately procure an abortion at lots of places. How is anyone forced to conform to a belief? A person can have all the sex you want and buy all the birth control you want… The force is on the side of the government, forcing others to subsidize someone else’s behavior. To pay for and provide something they object to. It’s an unprecedented trip down the road to absurdity.
The employee pays by paying their portion of the premiums, no matter what plan is offered. It’s not about $6 a month for birth control.
They still use an insurance company to administer the plan. With the new mandate all insurance companies have to include ABCs in their women’s health benefits package. This was made across the board, for all insurance companies.
Not all members will use all benefits that a plan will offer. That comes with being part of a network.
The cost of every benefit is factored into the costs in the form of premiums, deductibles and copays. This is no different.
I never said the employee is not going to be paying for these extra benefits or any benefits. All costs are always factored into the cost of the plan in the form of premiums, deductibles and copays. It’s just that having the benefit makes them more affordable and available than paying for everything out of pocket.
No, it doesn’t bother me at all. I don’t use all the benefits in the package I have, and I don’t get to whine and complain about it or try to have my part of the package reduced in payment because I don’t use all of the benefits in the package. I simply consider that I am part of a large network and as a result I pay less for my insurance and health care services. I use the benefits that I use, and the next person uses the benefits they use. No one uses all of the benefits available, but they don’t get to pick and choose what to pay for just because they don’t use it. If the law says that everyone has to do something, then everyone has to do something. This mandate isn’t saying, “well all Catholics have to pay for ABCs”. The mandate says, “all insurance companies have to provide ABCs in their women’s healthcare benefit” and “all employers that meet these criteria have to provide insurance for their employees”, as well as, "everyone has to subscribe to health insurance:. No it doesn’t bother me.
I have what I want? What is it that you think I want and that I have?
So you would agree that they would be forced to pay for something they believe is immoral. And if they don’t pay for it you think they are pushing their views on others?
No, I don’t believe they are being forced to pay for something they believe is immoral. We are arleady paying for them so it doesn’t make any sense to restrict them from some and not others. People need to buck up and make the right choices by not using the benefit not pitch a fit because they know they can’t control other peoples’ actions.
How are they already paying for other people’s birth control and abortion inducing drugs?
You must have missed my past few posts: in the form of premiums, copays and deductibles. All costs of heathcare services are worked into the cost of insurance. If the insurance company provides ABCs in some of their plans, all of them share the cost. They’re not in the insurance business to go broke.
for this.