Does G-d Love Satan?

Status
Not open for further replies.
M

meltzerboy

New member
What do you think? If yes, why, since he separated himself from G-d? And does G-d love him as much as He loves the non-fallen angels, the prophets, the saints, Man, and other earthly creatures? If no, why not, since G-d created him and is thought to love all of His creation? I’m speaking here from a Christian perspective, since Satan may or may not exist in other religions; and, in Judaism, Satan is not seen as a fallen angel. But those of other religions, and also atheists and agnostics, are welcome to respond.
 
No, Because he was thrown into hell, where God’s Love does not fill. He Loves His creatures yes, but those were His creatures before they completely severed themselves from God.
 
I’d say God does love Satan, as he loves all sinners. It would be Satan who rejects, and thus does not benefit, from Gods love. It’s odd, the whole difference of position regarding Satan between Christianity and Judaism. Although for humanity, the position doesn’t change very much at all in a practical sense…
 
Hello Meltzerboy –

God does not and cannot change in God’s Divine Nature. Lose anything? Nope. Gain something He didn’t have? Nope.

God created out of Infinite Love. God Loved Lucifer then … and God loves Satan now.

The change is not in God but in Lucifer/Satan.

God does not ration out His Love. God Is God … and Loves as God Loves … ALL.

What do you think? John (JohnJFarren)
 
How can He who is love who created all things out of love for love, quit loving any of His creatures. How sad it is to think that there are people and angels who have spurned God’s love, and yet He loves them, but they will spend all eternity being frustrated and not being united with Love. I shudder to think of such a reality.

God bless.
 
meltzerboy said:
What do you think? If yes, why, since he separated himself from G-d? And does G-d love him as much as He loves the non-fallen angels, the prophets, the saints, Man, and other earthly creatures? If no, why not, since G-d created him and is thought to love all of His creation? I’m speaking here from a Christian perspective, since Satan may or may not exist in other religions; and, in Judaism, Satan is not seen as a fallen angel. But those of other religions, and also atheists and agnostics, are welcome to respond.
Click to expand...
meltzerboy

I do believe this is of your religion.

Isa:14:12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13: For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
 
DPMartin said:
meltzerboy

I do believe this is of your religion.

Isa:14:12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13: For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Click to expand...
Great Answer!
 
DPMartin said:
meltzerboy

I do believe this is of your religion.

Isa:14:12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13: For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Click to expand...
These verses are not about satan, but about the Lord of Babylon, also seen as the personification of the Morning Star (or the planet Venus).
 
meltzerboy said:
What do you think? If yes, why, since he separated himself from G-d? And does G-d love him as much as He loves the non-fallen angels, the prophets, the saints, Man, and other earthly creatures? If no, why not, since G-d created him and is thought to love all of His creation? I’m speaking here from a Christian perspective, since Satan may or may not exist in other religions; and, in Judaism, Satan is not seen as a fallen angel. But those of other religions, and also atheists and agnostics, are welcome to respond.
Click to expand...
If the God of most brands Chrsitianity exists, then, yes he loves satan since love is supposed to be unconditional. The greatest love is love towards somebody who does not really deserve this love.
It dollow that it is possible for satan to be forgiven. Since satan is supposed to have free will, it is possible that satan will repent is be forgiven.
 
Paul_Infirdigno said:
No, Because he was thrown into hell, where God’s Love does not fill. He Loves His creatures yes, but those were His creatures before they completely severed themselves from God.
Click to expand...
@ Paul Infridigno- Hmm. I was told by my priest that hell is filled with God’s love, and it is hell for those there because they want nothing to do with his love.

@meltzerboy- I would take the position that the Christian God is more likely to love Satan than not. I am simply unsure of his ability to be forgiven by the Christian God if he repented because I am unsure if the death and rising of Jesus could be atonement for angels as well as for humans. I really never thought about that. I see no reason why it should because Jesus is God in Christianity, reparing the seperation man made with God. Thus his coming down in the flesh to man. Seperation caused by imperfect man, reconciled to God through the perfect man. Since humans are primarily concerned with themselves and their well being, it really isn’t surprising that the book for their use does not even touch the possibility of Satan or any of the fallen angels repenting. It’s assumed he/they never will the way it reads. Then again, why should the book go into matters that concern the angels? Their relationship with God may not require atonement for forgiveness to be possible. God may have an entirely different plan with them. Of course it is natural for us to be concerned over all creation and the well being of creation. We want to have reassurance that the God of creation is not unjust.
We are most likely on a need to know basis. This could be one of those things that fall under they “don’t need to know”.
That list is pretty big too.
 
StrawberryJam said:
@ Paul Infridigno- Hmm. I was told by my priest that hell is filled with God’s love, and it is hell for those there because they want nothing to do with his love.
Click to expand...
If Hell was full of God’s love how would it be hell. Hell is the abence of God, the being denied the Beautific Vision. Hell is not being in union with God.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines Hell as being in paragraph 1033
The state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed.
Click to expand...
In paragraph 1035 it states that. bracketed statement is mine
The chief punihsment of hell is eternal separation from God [and I add this, God is Love], in whom alone man can possess the life and happinesss for which he was created and for which he belongs.
Click to expand...
This does not sound like hell if full of love. In fact love is devoid in Hell.

God bless.
 
Little_One0307 said:
If Hell was full of God’s love how would it be hell. Hell is the abence of God, the being denied the Beautific Vision. Hell is not being in union with God.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines Hell as being in paragraph 1033

In paragraph 1035 it states that. bracketed statement is mine

This does not sound like hell if full of love. In fact love is devoid in Hell.

God bless.
Click to expand...
You should read Peter Kreft and other theology books on the topic. I’m not saying anything that is not well known to most well read catholics here.
 
I would keep in mind the key distinction between God’s love and a creature’s love. God’s love makes creatures good, while a creature’s love recognizes preexisting good in others (or in oneself).

Since all good/existence comes from God, or if you like from “God’s love”, then we need only look at whether Satan has any goodness/existence about him to know whether God loves him. Satan does exist, and so we know that God loves him, both at the moment of his creation and during every subsequent moment (however any kind sequence of moments applies to pure spirits, that is) as God holds Satan in existence.

It is clear though that God does not love Satan as much as the good angels, just as He does not love reprobated humans as much as the elect, because to one group He gives sanctification and the beatific vision and to the other He does not. He in some sense offers the opportunity for salvation to all intellectual creatures, but to some He does not efficaciously give that sanctifying grace, final perseverance, and eventually beatific vision. Free will fits in that picture somewhere, though in exactly what way is debated.
 
StrawberryJam said:
You should read Peter Kreft and other theology books on the topic. I’m not saying anything that is not well known to most well read catholics here.
Click to expand...
I am always open to read more books.

Can you provide me some sources, that have to do with this? Thanks.

God bless.
 
meltzerboy said:
What do you think? If yes, why, since he separated himself from G-d? And does G-d love him as much as He loves the non-fallen angels, the prophets, the saints, Man, and other earthly creatures? If no, why not, since G-d created him and is thought to love all of His creation? I’m speaking here from a Christian perspective, since Satan may or may not exist in other religions; and, in Judaism, Satan is not seen as a fallen angel. But those of other religions, and also atheists and agnostics, are welcome to respond.
Click to expand...
yes becuse the devil is god inverted they are two sides of the same coin. in christian thought satan is the universel force of evil and god the universel force of love. go back to genesis after adam and eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil god said now they are as us knowing good and evil. so if god knows evil evil therefore is apart of his being and has acted of the evil side of himself all throughout the bible such as the slaying of the first born of egypt. god is just another name for satan satan is just another name for god.
 
Aelred_Minor said:
It is clear though that God does not love Satan as much as the good angels, just as He does not love reprobated humans as much as the elect, because to one group He gives sanctification and the beatific vision and to the other He does not. He in some sense offers the opportunity for salvation to all intellectual creatures, but to some He does not efficaciously give that sanctifying grace, final perseverance, and eventually beatific vision. Free will fits in that picture somewhere, though in exactly what way is debated.
Click to expand...
The answer is implied in the prayer given to us by Jesus:

“Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.”

God loves us far more than we can hope or expect to love Him but our love does have an effect on Him, astonishingly enough! Otherwise He would not ask us to pray. It seems incredible we can influence the Creator of the entire universe - until we remember that He became a man and died for us.

Not only that. God has given us the power to reject Him and frustrate His will for all eternity! It seems absurd unless we realise why we can become evil - like Satan -and cause unnecessary suffering. There is only one possible reason why He would let us do that. It is because without that power we wouldn’t be persons. We would be incapable of love.… and love is more important and significant than anything else whether in heaven or on earth. We are made in the image and likeness of Love! 🙂
 
meltzerboy said:
What do you think? If yes, why, since he separated himself from G-d? And does G-d love him as much as He loves the non-fallen angels, the prophets, the saints, Man, and other earthly creatures?
Click to expand...
Hi meltzerboy,

Yes, God loves Satan. God is love therefore He loves all. He does not hate.

Satan separating from God does not change God’s love for Satan. It is because God loves that Satan is in Hell. A loving person respects the free will of another. Since Satan freely choose to reject God, God (who is Love) respected Satan’s choice and Satan was cast into Hell.

God does not love one creature more than another. He loves all fully and completely.

Hope that helps!
 
smichhertz said:
Hi meltzerboy,

Yes, God loves Satan. God is love therefore He loves all. He does not hate.

Satan separating from God does not change God’s love for Satan. It is because God loves that Satan is in Hell. A loving person respects the free will of another. Since Satan freely choose to reject God, God (who is Love) respected Satan’s choice and Satan was cast into Hell.

God does not love one creature more than another. He loves all fully and completely.

Hope that helps!
Click to expand...
Satan is called the accuser. Do you think he is still accusing Job? And all of the rest of humanity after the fall? He seems to be far more busy than God or Jesus is.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top