Does God call people to be separate from Catholic Eucharist

[guanophore]

i think the matter of record is scripture itself. How one perceives scripture is something different

Scripture is a matter of record, along with the Sacred Tradition, but how people perceive that record becomes part of it. For example, if the Apostles baptized infants, and Scripture says whole households were baptized, and the Sacred Tradition affirms this includes infants, the Scripture will be understood differently than those who do not embrace the Sacred Tradition. They will perceive “believers baptism” from the pages.

NT is partly for setting record straight, and therefore has proof texts for any particular truth.

Doctrine is rooted in Scripture, certainly, but obviously there is insufficient scripture for “proof” in many cases. For example, Catholics believe that “God hates divorce” and that once God has joined two people together, no man should separate them. But other denominations perceive this differently, or absolve themselves of following this commandment. So again, we are left with perceptions, even though we are both using the same inerrant and inspired documents.

Yes just not sure apostles taught assumption, and other traditions.

It is understandable that persons who have rejected the Sacred Tradition would be left in a state of being “just not sure”. This is why the Scriptures were never meant to be separated from the sacred Tradition that produced them.

 

[guanophore]

You guys are discussing it below about the assumption of Mary and this other issue that has infested the church.

How do you see that the Assumption of Mary and “this other issue” (?) have “infested” the Church?

Do you think there is something evil about Jesus taking His mother into heaven?

one can be very proud thinking he has not fallen to fables

Is this considered a virtue?

Luke 18:11
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank thee that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.

 

[rcwitness]

feed_me:

You guys are discussing it below about the assumption of Mary and this other issue that has infested the church.

How do you see that the Assumption of Mary and “this other issue” (?) have “infested” the Church?

Do you think there is something evil about Jesus taking His mother into heaven?

one can be very proud thinking he has not fallen to fables

Is this considered a virtue?

Luke 18:11
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank thee that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.

To be fair (or give a benefit of doubt) I think mcq72 may have meant a wrong pride, and conveying exactly what that Scripture was criticizing. But he sometimes speaks in a manner that is hard to understand, and is why I said “not sure what that is saying”. The reply didnt align with my question very well.

 

[guanophore]

To be fair (or give a benefit of doubt) I think mcq72 may have meant a wrong pride, and conveying exactly what that Scripture was criticizing.

mcq72 has demonstrated anti-Catholic hostility on these threads over time, and considers the Marian Dogmas “fables” that were invented in post- apostolic times that are not supported by his Sola Scriptura paradigm.

Sola Scriptura is what prevents him from believing in such fables, and so one can be proud that one can lead a life transformed by the Holy Spirit without such 'fables".

 

[rcwitness]

Perhaps. I am trying to ask specifically what the Holy Spirit affirms as his belief. Not whether or not its right to decree as dogma, or if its based on Scripture or not, or if he knows one way or the other, but does he believe Mary’s body was taken up by our Lord, or does he believe her body is someplace on Earth.

 

[feed_me]

The Assumption of Mary im just listening in but im taking the doubting Thomas approach with this one untill seen otherwise.

As far as this other issue is concerned, not only has it infested the Catholic Church, it also infested the other denominations also.
Let me ask you this question… why do you tolerate the lie that is mental illness and allows the devil and his legions to walk among the people and be hidden under the guise of medication. Has it not been preached and God sent prophets to get people to turn away from there evil, yet nothing is done except those prophets get killed and everyone gets worse instead. If the cure is in the Scriptures themselves(bible) why do the people turn to medication instead? If the Church as a whole is infested why do you tolerate the infestation?

 

[guanophore]

As far as this other issue is concerned, not only has it infested the Catholic Church, it also infested the other denominations also.
Let me ask you this question… why do you tolerate the lie that is mental illness and allows the devil and his legions to walk among the people and be hidden under the guise of medication.

I think you are confused, feed_me. The Catholic Church does not teach any doctrine about medications for mental illness.

Mental illness is not a lie, though, and medications can and do, help people who have these illnesses.

The devil and his legions walk among the people because God has given them leave to do so for the time being. This was happening long before mental illnesses were defined, and before any medications for them were developed.

God sent prophets to get people to turn away from there evil, yet nothing is done except those prophets get killed and everyone gets worse instead.

It sounds like your have equated mental illness with moral evil.

I don’t know which prophets to whom you are referring. Do you know someone who believed medication for mental illness was wrong and was killed for it?

If the cure is in the Scriptures themselves(bible) why do the people turn to medication instead?

The cure is not in the scriptures, but in Christ, who testified that the Scriptures point to Him. He works through physicians and medicines too. There is no need to have Jesus or medication when one can have both.

If the Church as a whole is infested why do you tolerate the infestation?

Obviously we don’t see it this way. The Church belongs to Christ, and if He believes it needs cleansing, He will cleanse it.

 

[feed_me]

Thabk you for everything I needed to know, have a good day.

to the op: Sorry for derailing the conversation.

 

[rcwitness]

…to the op: Sorry for derailing the conversation.

No worries. After 2,354 posts, im glad to see the question bringing in fellowship.

May our good God give you peace and direction.

 

[feed_me]

Im still up for the conversation. @guanophore confermed my suspicions.

 

[guanophore]

Im still up for the conversation. @guanophore confermed my suspicions.

That the Catholic Church believes that God heals through doctors and medications?

Or that illnesses exist, both physical and mental, and are not inherently evil?

 

[feed_me]

I said what I needed to say. Thank you.

 

[guanophore]

I said what I needed to say. Thank you.

One has to wonder where your need to disparage and discredit the faith of others originates. Who is he who is the accuser of the brethren?

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God.

 

[feed_me]

Jude 1:9
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[rcwitness]

Jude 1:9
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Interestingly, this dispute of the Devil and St Michael was only recorded in non-canon writings.

 

[feed_me]

But its still in scripture so I cant really say non canon writing.

 

[rcwitness]

But its still in scripture so I cant really say non canon writing.

And how do you know Jude is Scripture?

 

[Benadam]

The people of God have made the Word of God visible with their life.Their lives are remembered and retold so the Word of God revealed by their lives become known. Then so the Word made visible by the people of God is preserved for the generations it is written. The people of God continue retelling, teaching and learning the Word made visible in their life. This is the pattern of the Word revealed since the beginning, except written tradition is recent. Oral and written tradition follows the lives of the people who make the Word visible.

 

[guanophore]

But its still in scripture so I cant really say non canon writing.

It is one of the proofs that Sacred Tradition is equal to Sacred Scripture in authority.

 

[mcq72]

This is why the Scriptures were never meant to be separated from the sacred Tradition that produced them

The prototype for this (OT/Judaism) speaks volumes.Unless a tradition and its people are walking in line with the truth and Spirit of Scripture, it is vain.