Does God call people to be separate from Catholic Eucharist

[mcq72]

I understand that you and your faith community have not received this gifting,

Corect, do not believe in its reception either, but as stated earlier, are graced to be holy and in the spirit, unctioned by the Holy Ghost to know all things, as little children that we are, according to John.

 

[mcq72]

Fortunately, though you are separated from it, you are still able to reap the benefits, especially in the form of Scripture.

Correct again. Furthermore, enjoined by her universal truths, even seeds for new life in Christ, of a heaven, and a hell, and judgement to come, and of His righteousness and love for us, including propitiation.

 

[rcwitness]

I think it answers part of a question, reason being is there are people that dont believe in what Catholics believe

Yes, thats stating the obvious

… or grew up in protostant denominations

That is a difference from being called by God to a separate Communion.

and along there Journey God uses them to save others from damnation and that goes for the Catholic side too.

So back to the question, which remains unaddressed. Let me ask in a different form, “Does God call one person to one set of beliefs, and another person to a different set of beliefs?”

 

[mcq72]

The Church founded by the Apostles is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic. This is why there is not “one per church”. There is only one Church.

If orthodox and protestants are not in full ess of faith, even “separated”, then so are Catholic churches not in fullness or “separated” from true, original catholicity, from universality.

 

[mcq72]

There is also a prototype for those who opposed the authority appointed by God.

Of course, "sons "of Korah. The flip side is the prototype of religious leaders and powers to be, appointed by God, not heeding, even persecuting God’s truth bearers, reformers, prophets, even using a secular power.

 

[guanophore]

Corect, do not believe in its reception either, but as stated earlier, are graced to be holy and in the spirit, unctioned by the Holy Ghost to know all things, as little children that we are, according to John.

One has to wonder, if your have all these graces, why you are so vexed that others claim to have something you don’t believe exists?

If orthodox and protestants are not in full ess of faith, even “separated”, then so are Catholic churches not in fullness or “separated” from true, original catholicity, from universality.

I think you are talking about two different things here. Catholicity is universality. The CC is, as St. Luke testifies in Acts 9:31 “throughout all”

The Church can be universal and still be connected with those who are not in perfect unity.

Of course, "sons "of Korah. The flip side is the prototype of religious leaders and powers to be, appointed by God, not heeding, even persecuting God’s truth bearers, reformers, prophets, even using a secular power.

So when did the Great Apostasy occur? Was there a specific point in time where the Church went off the rails? If it was gradual, when did it begin?

 

[jcrichton]

I think that you fully ignore what is being conveyed.

Anyone can claim that they are following Scriptures. The Mormons take one passage from Scriptures and claim legitimacy for their book which they quickly offer not only as an alternative to the Bible but as the actual procedural text (script).

Are they keeping to Scriptures or are they following the interpretation that was used upon which to hinge their “validity” as a religious group?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Teach what? Is not the message, the precepts, found in Scipture ? Why do you separate what the Holy Spirit put in Scripture and what He puts on the preachers tongue or wants to write on every heart ?

Again, you are missing the point.

It is not only what is Written.

That’s part of the problem–you (non-Catholics) keep holding on to a tenet that even Scriptures do not Teach (sola Scriptura); because of this you lack the depth of Apostolic Succession.

…as for Written in every heart, did you know that this was an ancient prophecy?

…and did you not noticed in Acts that the Holy Spirit, in the form of tongues of fire, did not come to all of Israel–not even to all devote that were gathered in Jerusalem at the appointed time, in Pentecost Day?

So clearly not everyone can claim to have and obey God’s Written Law/Scriptures/Gospel that is found Written in their heart.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Yet, Jesus Delegated His Authority to One Body: One Church.

It is the One Church which Jesus Founded that does not err in holding such Teaching because it is the Succession of the Apostles (Jesus’ Teaching).

So while it is true that all claim authority–Jesus did not Delegate His Authority to all.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

burden upon us to believe it dogmatically, as a must article of faith

There’s no “dogmatic” written teaching from the Apostles… you are speaking to what is Taught through the Oral and Written Traditions.

Since you reject Church history you negate Oral Tradition; hence, you lack the basis that you yourself demand to find: ‘where is that?’

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Yet, Scriptures do not state such thing.

Rather Scriptures state that a Believer should not dispense with Apostolic Teaching (Oral and Written).

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

So what were the parchments Paul asked Timothy to bring him?

Not the complete abridged/unabridged New Covenant Sacred Writings, of course!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

…so every believer will bring forth the Immanuel?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

As far as this other issue is concerned, not only has it infested the Catholic Church, it also infested the other denominations also.
Let me ask you this question… why do you tolerate the lie that is mental illness and allows the devil and his legions to walk among the people and be hidden under the guise of medication. Has it not been preached and God sent prophets to get people to turn away from there evil, yet nothing is done except those prophets get killed and everyone gets worse instead. If the cure is in the Scriptures themselves(bible) why do the people turn to medication instead? If the Church as a whole is infested why do you tolerate the infestation?

You seem to be confusing God with anti-meds.

When did Jesus forbid going to a doctor?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

I believe you are affirming Catholic Teaching here!

The exact thought came to me as I read this last entry; how confused! It rejects Catholic Teaching while upholding Catholic Teaching!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Another thing that is problematic, or challenging, is the similarity to pagan beliefs in queen of heaven and madonna etc.and similar stories.

So you reject the book of Apocalypse (Revelation), as pagan myth?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Yes, it is a very sad history. Yesterday I learned about how Catholics slaughtered some 2000 Protestants in Ireland in the 1600’s. But this kind of killing is not part of the Catholic teaching. Catholics sin like everyone else, and kill people in the name of God. This is not God’s will, and it is not the Teaching of the Church. The Truth is not defined by those who depart from it.

This learning, did it state that the Church commanded the slaughter of 2000 Protestants in Ireland?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

where they need to be for a reason.

Are you saying that God is somehow willing people to be where they find themselves?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[guanophore]

Teach what? Is not the message, the precepts, found in Scipture ? Why do you separate what the Holy Spirit put in Scripture and what He puts on the preachers tongue or wants to write on every heart ?

Among other things of course what is found in Scripture! There is no separation between the Teaching handed down from the Apostles, what was upon their tongues, what is written in the heart by the Holy Spirit, and the Sacred Tradition.

Well, Scripture was received long before us, even some traditions…I would think Scripture has not changed but for traditions , even magisteriums and their declarations, they are in flux. T

No, they are not in “flux”. The deposit of faith was made “once for all to the church”. Nothing can be added or subtracted. What the Magesterium does is apply the once for all deposit of faith to the current day and age. what the declarations do is respond to heresies that are rampant.

The Holy Spirit and Scripture hold the key for any tradition and magisterium to be in truth.

At least we agree about something!

the latest revelation, the Assumption of Mary, perhaps may be a fable that Paul warns against.

There are no “new” revelations in the once for all divine deposit of faith. I can see how it might seem that this is “new” for those who have been separated from part of that deposit (Sacred Tradition)…

Paul visited Ephesus, where John was caring for Mary until she completed this life. Luke was with him, and interviewed Mary, which is why his gospel contains so much detail about her. Luke presents her as the Ark of the New Covenant (Jesus).

Hard to believe the apostles taught it.

I can see how that would be. I would feel the same way, being confined to the written Nt only.

many questionable teachings

What might those be? The table of contents for the NT, perhaps? The Apostles never wrote that !

Depends, can you back up the doctrins with scripture only?

Catholics do not embrace the heresy of Sola Scriptura. Even so, it is not a matter of what Scripture contains, but how we interpret it. You see, Catholics understand that Scripture backs up the concept of baptizing infants. Modern evangelicals that espouse the “believers baptism” reject this Apostolic teaching because they do not accept what scripture states about it.

 

[guanophore]

This learning, did it state that the Church commanded the slaughter of 2000 Protestants in Ireland?

No, in fact, I think it was more politically/economically motivated than religious. I wanted to understand why Cromwell was said to have slaughtered so many Irish Catholics. As I suspected, the Catholics precipitated his wroth by killing Protestants.

So, why were the casualties in Ireland so high? Cromwell and his supporters considered Irish Roman Catholics as little better than savages, barbarian in their lifestyle and habits and capable of appalling atrocities against Protestant settlers. They were sub-human and dangerous, and were to be treated accordingly.

I don’t think slaughter and dehumanization is Christlike from either side.