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Alex337
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Everyone interprets what he meant.
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Alex337
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Sure, but you’re just being crude. Seems a bit pointless. You’re not going to convince me more than God, friend.
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Wannano
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It seems strange that if such evidence exists years later that it was not apparent to the Priest at the time of the marriage. Is there no screening and questioning done by the Priest to determine the validity of the couple. ?
If a non -Catholic couple are married in a civil ceremony and after some time they decide to become Catholics, are they married in the eyes of the Church or do they have to get married again in the Church in order to become Catholics?
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jcrichton
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I don’t follow what you are saying with this, can you expand?
Maran atha!
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Maran atha!
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Alex337
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Everyone who reads what is written interprets what is meant.
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jcrichton
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I don’t think you follow your own posting… you’ve made it clear that you believe that: 1) everyone is ok to follow whatever they believe is the right “church” of God, 2) you have special revelation that comes from God and it makes you sure of knowing that you’re closer to God than you’ve ever been and closer than any teaching outside of what has been personally revealed to you, 3) St. Paul (and I guess the rest of the Apostles) had it wrong (whatever they claim that goes against what you believe) because he (they) were fallible… can you not see that you are demonstrating a special knowledge of God, hence the Church Founded by Christ and His Apostles are flawed?
I apologize if my exchange makes you ill at ease; I will attempt to refrain from responding to your posting (less they attempt to teach error as soundness).
Maran atha!
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I apologize if my exchange makes you ill at ease; I will attempt to refrain from responding to your posting (less they attempt to teach error as soundness).
Maran atha!
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jcrichton
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That is why it is important to hold to the Apostolic Teaching: Oral and Written Tradition. The Church Founded by Christ is the Deposit of Truth–when people interpret Scriptures on their own they circumvent Christ.
Maran atha!
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guanophore
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Feelings are not the best criteria to use for Truth.
2 Timothy 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings…
Is there no other criteria (more objective) by which one may determine Truth?
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Alex337
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Actually I just think there are multiple interpretations of the apostles as needed for each person to understand it.
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guanophore
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Wanting to engage in activity that is against what is taught. Most Catholics leave for reasons that originate below the waist.
Catholics also leave who never learned their faith. I was one of those. I sojourned among my separated brethren for 20+ years before realizing that the Church Jesus founded was Catholic.
I can appreciate the Reformers wanting a more pure faith. Had I lived in their time, I may have been one of them. Men are always in need of reform. The problem is that the doctrines of Christ never needed reforming.
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Alex337
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Each is given their own truth that they may best understand God.
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guanophore
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This is moral relativism. Jesus says He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. I agree that there are different ways of understanding the omnipotent, but that does not mean the Truth/Teachings change!
Perhaps, but Jesus came to show us the One Way that is most effective. There is no other name under heaven by which we may be saved. And His teachings to no “vary”.
It sounds like your “faith” is based upon your own experiences and perception.
There are plenty, but they vary from one ecclesial community to the next.
I agree with you, we have more in common than we have differences.
It is not “our own understanding” so much as an obligation to retain and preserve what has been passed down to us from the Apostles. We are not at liberty to replace these Teachings with “a different gospel”.
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Alex337
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Cool. I still know what God taught me.
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OsculeturMeOsculo
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I will not let this treason go unpunished.
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Wannano
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My reference was to the “actual teachings of Christ Himself” as recorded in the Bible.Alex337:
This is moral relativism. Jesus says He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. I agree that there are different ways of understanding the omnipotent, but that does not mean the Truth/Teachings change!
Perhaps, but Jesus came to show us the One Way that is most effective. There is no other name under heaven by which we may be saved. And His teachings to no “vary”.
It sounds like your “faith” is based upon your own experiences and perception.
There are plenty, but they vary from one ecclesial community to the next.
I agree with you, we have more in common than we have differences.
It is not “our own understanding” so much as an obligation to retain and preserve what has been passed down to us from the Apostles. We are not at liberty to replace these Teachings with “a different gospel”.
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guanophore
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I learn something new here everyday! I did not know that some Quakers were not Christian, and that some Quakers supported same sex unions while others did not.
No one is immoral for wanting a divorce. I don’t doubt that every married person may think about it at least once.
Violence and abuse are not grounds for “divorce”. What God has joined together “let no man put asunder”. Nothing that happens after the marriage can justify divorce.
The Church does not focus on “who is at fault” because there is no fault in the marriage that can justify divorce.
Civil separation is permitted for the safety of the spouse and children. Civil divorce does not change that they are married in the eyes of God.
People come up with all kinds of reasons to justify disobedience to God’s command. As is clear in the quote above from the Quakers, there is an expectation that marriage is “till death do us part”, but clearly, there is wiggle room to get out of the marriage, and marry another. Jesus said that Moses allowed divorce because the Israelites were hard of heart. Nothing has really changed. People are still hard of heart. Most people are more concerned about their own happiness than praying for their spouse for the rest of their lives.
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mcq72
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Agree that He wills lifelong marriage…but wonder if some other Lord directive is not failinging in strict adherence and interpretation, such as call no man father except He that is in heaven, or avoid vain and repetitious prayers etc…
I accept Catholic understandings on the two but by grace and some flexability,and not denying some abuse on the matters.
I accept Catholic understandings on the two but by grace and some flexability,and not denying some abuse on the matters.
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OsculeturMeOsculo
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You lucky I am on mobile, but I am not clever enough to use memes properly.
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