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Not really. You are making the claim yourself! It’s not just guess work on my part. You cannot simultaneously claim to be Christian while doubting Scripture to be free from error.
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Given there are multiple translations of the Bible, which can change the interpretation of verses; are you saying every Bible is entirely, 100% what was written by the author? Because I don’t think they all can be when they say different things.
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rcwitness
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It has nothing to do with translations of the Bible, but everything to do with interpretations of the message.rcwitness:
Given there are multiple translations of the Bible, which can change the interpretation of verses; are you saying every Bible is entirely, 100% what was written by the author? Because I don’t think they all can be when they say different things.
The Catholic Church recognizes that the Holy Spirit gives proper understanding of God’s Teachings. And sometimes the Church gives official interpretations which Christians are able to rely on. The book of Acts recorded a council of the Apostles and Church members. Scripture was used, but the authority given to the Apostles was also used to affirm God’s plan and position toward a controversial matter.
Throughout Church history, the Church has continued to meet the needs of issues, maybe not as soon as would be nice. Every issue has some who do not accept what the Church officially affirms. And sometimes those division heal over periods of trying to understand what it means. And sometimes wounds never heal.
Long, long ago, the Church affirmed the necessity for believers of the Gospel, to be Baptized into the Trinity, and to accept Scripture as a crucial part of God’s public revelation to the world. The fact that individuals variously interpret Scripture does not change what Scripture actually means. And we all have to choose where we receive our interpretation from. This is sometimes different from receiving understanding passages.
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So, what I’ve been saying all along is that what with translations that what the Bible says changes. And that the interpretations also change in part due to this language. The Church has one interpretation, other churches have different ones.
So, given there have been multiple interpretations and translations of the Bible through the century; are they all entirely what the author wrote despite being different?
So, given there have been multiple interpretations and translations of the Bible through the century; are they all entirely what the author wrote despite being different?
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rcwitness
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Well the fact that there are various translations does not mean the Church is unable to affirm the True meaning!
The true meaning of any given passage will always harmonize with what has been practiced and professed from the days after Pentecost.
Catholics do not hold to Sola Scriptura, so your concerns should actually appreciate how the Catholic faith uses Scripture.
In other words, you seem to recognize that Scripture cannot stand alone as the Christian rule of faith, since translations and interpretations are a reality of a written testimony.
The true meaning of any given passage will always harmonize with what has been practiced and professed from the days after Pentecost.
Catholics do not hold to Sola Scriptura, so your concerns should actually appreciate how the Catholic faith uses Scripture.
In other words, you seem to recognize that Scripture cannot stand alone as the Christian rule of faith, since translations and interpretations are a reality of a written testimony.
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Alex337
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So, you made assumptions about my Christianity because I pointed out that translations happen and differed interpretations exist, but you also believe in sola scriptura.
Sorry, dude, I think your little attack on my faith was ill thought out. Possibly you just misunderstood what I had been saying.
Sorry, dude, I think your little attack on my faith was ill thought out. Possibly you just misunderstood what I had been saying.
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guanophore
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People sin, Alex, whether they are married or not. People make promises then fail to keep them. Marriage, according to Jesus, is a vow that is not broken, no matter how much failure takes place.
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Acts 2:38 Peter said repent and be baptized…The Catholic Douay Rheims says “do penance and be baptized”…how do you confirm that is the true meaning? One word changes a lot!
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Alex337
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Dude, you literally just said that marriage is unbreakable because it should mimic the marriage between Christ and the Church. But it can never mimic that as Christ and the Church, as you said, can’t sin while married folk can.
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rcwitness
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All of Christianity professes Scripture to be free from error in matters of faith and morals. You appear to be denying Scripture this level of purity.
I do not accept Sola Scriptura! And even for some of the reasons that you believe Scripture contains errors, though I believe it does not contain errors in faith and morals. I do believe the Church’s official Teachings confirm the principal meaning of Scripture.
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Alex337
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So, again; when a piece of scripture is translated in two very different ways are they both somehow what the author wrote?
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Synonyms for penance. absolution. atonement. contrition. forgiveness. penitence. remorse. repentance. retribution.rcwitness:
Acts 2:38 Peter said repent and be baptized…The Catholic Douay Rheims says “do penance and be baptized”…how do you confirm that is the true meaning? One word changes a lot!
Luke 3
He said therefore to the multitudes that came out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bear fruits that befit repentance, and do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father’; for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children to Abraham.
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If there are opposing translations, then No! What matters is what the Church upholds in her Teaching. Not what some people translate.
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Alex337
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Synonyms still carry slightly different meaning. After all if I said an accident was “bad” the severity is not the same as “horrible”.
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So you don’t care what the word of the Bible is?Alex337:
If there are opposing translations, then No! What matters is what the Church upholds in her Teaching. Not what some people translate.
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rcwitness
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How on Earth would you reach that conclusion?
On the contrary, I care very much what the Word is saying to the Church!
On the contrary, I care very much what the Word is saying to the Church!
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See no spiritual effectual difference from a Baptist or Lutheran or Episcopal or pentecostal or Catholic communion. See no difference in the living/thriving spiritually that can be attributed to differing communion views.
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rcwitness
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The Catholic faith relies on Scripture, Sacred Tradition and Magisterium.
This prevents opposing meanings of the sacred texts of Scripture.
This prevents opposing meanings of the sacred texts of Scripture.
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So you do worry about translations?
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How can you not see that each separate Communion (Lord’s Supper) represents the body of teachings from each relative community who offers that bread and wine?BoyGenius:
See no spiritual effectual difference from a Baptist or Lutheran or Episcopal or pentecostal or Catholic communion. See no difference in the living/thriving spiritually that can be attributed to differing communion views.
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