No its not embarassing, we just don’t know the answer.The universe could still turn out to be eternal but probably not. Big deal so something created the universe, so lets stop giving made up answers and start giving answers that are backed up by evidence.
The Big Bang was an event. There was already something there. Scientists do not dispute that.
Scientifically speaking, the universe’s present form had a beginning, at least according to BB theory. There are other theories such as M theory’s Colliding Branes that also can account for it. The scientific fact is that it can’t be made to go away. Every speck of every thing has been around since the big bang event, and according to all human observations had to be there before. It’s no different than water becoming ice or hydrogen fusing into helium or quarks becoming nuclei. The ylem that is the universe is eternal according to every scientific human observation ever recorded. Speaking personally, that is quite an awe-inspiring realization.
But Osiris DOES exist, and is a bunch of demons. Though, Osiris was also probably somehow “hijacked” by the angels to inject some “good” into those “Osiris worshipers”.
Because it’s the ONLY (singular) idea of God that works! Once one actually USES that definition in practice, one (rather spontaneously) receives “private revelation” which, once checked against public revelation, is proof that God is uniquely described thus.
God hears prayers because He is a set of persons who are interested in His creations who are persons.
None of your theories address the actual “start” of the process of existence.
They’re NOT made-up answers. They are answers that actually ANSWER! That answer is not “respected” by atheists, who choose to accept answers that DON’T answer, because of the consequences OF that answer.
The universe is “all there is”. There is only ONE “all there is”. That is a definition from reality as to the nature of existence (from God via the Magisterium).
Six generations ago we didn’t even know that germs and other pathogens cause disease. Who knows what we’ll learn over the next six generations.
Actually if we cannot remove anything from existence its eternal existence is certainly implied. You agree that there was something that gave rise to the present universe in an event called the BB. In a very real sense the BB continues to this day. CERN will give us a look at this thing a trillionth of a second after the BB initiated. I tend to agree with Einstein that all of eternity is a moment.
As you are no doubt aware, human culture is basically littered with creation myths, the Jewish version being but one. I am certain these myths satisfy the needs of many in their attendant cultures.
The only thing science is good for is gathering knowledge about the universe. In my view knowledge empowers people. It frees us from superstition and lets us find truth. And that helps me find meaning. I guess I’m not so concerned with death and beatific visions because I’ve amassed sufficient knowledge to enable me to deal with such things. I certainly hope your religion is able to provide you with the same peace and comfort, and perhaps even make you care for the lot of future generations, such as science has helped me.
If we can create ice by freezing water then perhaps there is a similar agent involved in the BB. I can imagine an intelligence routinely creating universes in its lab with its very advanced methods. Such beings might have created our universe in the sense that we create ice from water, so we could certainly imply a creator this way. I suppose, however, that a creationist religion would say that these creators and their universal ylem would have to have a creator too, maybe giving rise to a first creator argument like today’s first cause arguments. Could happen. Maybe such hypothetical creators are in fact religious.
The BB doesn’t raise doubts about an eternal universe anymore than ice raises doubts about liquid water. The BB was an event like any other. Whether a technologically advanced species gave something a kick start doesn’t change the fact that something was already there. We can none of us unmake any part of this universe, except in our imaginations. Manipulate it? Yes. Anything more? Impossible. And the same goes for any of our technologically advanced creationist friends lurking elsewhere in the cosmos.
Is it just me, or does “ylem” sound (!?) like the goo that Cthulhu “rises from”?
My choice is not “beats me” its since we dont know the real answer yet and are just speculating, lets look for evidence and look for a real answer.
No divine revelation is not valid. We have this field of science called psychology you see…But Osiris DOES exist, and is a bunch of demons. Though, Osiris was also probably somehow “hijacked” by the angels to inject some “good” into those “Osiris worshipers”.
And I’m being quite serious, by the way.
You can’t prove something doesn’t exist, but if you have divine revelation to work with, you CAN show (though not prove) what any “spiritual thing” actually is.
No no no no no… You are saying that a universe to be created needs a god then you say that god does not need a creator becuase he is eternal and simple. And then you say all those other things because they have been “revealed” to you. I just wish you could understand how ridiculous this sounds to me. You are asserting so much without any real proof.
It may surprise you to know that Catholics are just as interested in finding the mechanism by which God created the universe as any atheist.
My current favorite theory, which has very little chance of being usurped, is to consider ANY THEORY which invokes an “infinity” of any sort as an “explanation” of anything as pointing toward God as the uncaused cause where the “invocation” of the “infinity” occurred.
That’s your axiom, and not mine.
Heh he he he… Well, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that qualification of revelation.
I don’t try to prove that things don’t exist!
I can’t prove it to you as you understand proof, because only God can prove it to you. I can only give you hints that proof is available from the appropriate “prover” (God, via prayer).
We laugh at atheists for precise the same reasons that you laugh at us, though from a different “direction”.No they are made up answers. As made up as Zeus and Thor. And they don’t answer anything, the whole point is the “glorious mystery” what kind of an answer is a mysterious god?