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PJH_74
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I understand it is, but I think you’d have to at least admit it is striking unexpected given other teachings.
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TheLittleLady
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That any embryos should be implanted.
The Church moreover holds that it is ethically unacceptable to dissociate procreation from the integrally personal context of the conjugal act:[29] human procreation is a personal act of a husband and wife, which is not capable of substitution.
and this line of thinking leads to the idea of embryo adoption:
The proposal that these embryos could be put at the disposal of infertile couples as a treatment for infertility is not ethically acceptable for the same reasons which make artificial heterologous procreation illicit as well as any form of surrogate motherhood;[38] this practice would also lead to other problems of a medical, psychological and legal nature.
It has also been proposed, solely in order to allow human beings to be born who are otherwise condemned to destruction, that there could be a form of “prenatal adoption”. This proposal, praiseworthy with regard to the intention of respecting and defending human life, presents however various problems not dissimilar to those mentioned above.
All things considered, it needs to be recognized that the thousands of abandoned embryos represent a situation of injustice which in fact cannot be resolved. Therefore John Paul II made an “appeal to the conscience of the world’s scientific authorities and in particular to doctors, that the production of human embryos be halted, taking into account that there seems to be no morally licit solution regarding the human destiny of the thousands and thousands of ‘frozen’ embryos which are and remain the subjects of essential rights and should therefore be protected by law as human persons”.[39]
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...cfaith_doc_20081208_dignitas-personae_en.html
The Church moreover holds that it is ethically unacceptable to dissociate procreation from the integrally personal context of the conjugal act:[29] human procreation is a personal act of a husband and wife, which is not capable of substitution.
and this line of thinking leads to the idea of embryo adoption:
The proposal that these embryos could be put at the disposal of infertile couples as a treatment for infertility is not ethically acceptable for the same reasons which make artificial heterologous procreation illicit as well as any form of surrogate motherhood;[38] this practice would also lead to other problems of a medical, psychological and legal nature.
It has also been proposed, solely in order to allow human beings to be born who are otherwise condemned to destruction, that there could be a form of “prenatal adoption”. This proposal, praiseworthy with regard to the intention of respecting and defending human life, presents however various problems not dissimilar to those mentioned above.
All things considered, it needs to be recognized that the thousands of abandoned embryos represent a situation of injustice which in fact cannot be resolved. Therefore John Paul II made an “appeal to the conscience of the world’s scientific authorities and in particular to doctors, that the production of human embryos be halted, taking into account that there seems to be no morally licit solution regarding the human destiny of the thousands and thousands of ‘frozen’ embryos which are and remain the subjects of essential rights and should therefore be protected by law as human persons”.[39]
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...cfaith_doc_20081208_dignitas-personae_en.html
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Cruciferi
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Ah, yes, that makes sense. Thanks 
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catholic1seeks
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Not if “condemn” is meant “damned to hell.” We do not have personal guilt due to Adam’s sin. This is why it is speculated that infants without baptism go to Heaven.
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TheLittleLady
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Again, that is not the official teaching of the Church. We do not know the eternal fate of those infants, embryos, who die without baptism. We trust the mercy of God.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...aith_doc_20070419_un-baptised-infants_en.html
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catholic1seeks
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We know they don’t go to hell.
So, either way, we don’t receive the personal guilt of Adam.
No one goes to hell unless through a free choice on their own.
So, either way, we don’t receive the personal guilt of Adam.
No one goes to hell unless through a free choice on their own.
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TheLittleLady
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Give the linked document a read. We do not know. Augustine was one of the Church Fathers who believed that unbaptized of any age went to hell.
This is a topic that can fast get out of hand, so, I’ll leave it at - read the full document.
This is a topic that can fast get out of hand, so, I’ll leave it at - read the full document.
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catholic1seeks
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No church father represents Catholic teaching as if he were infallible, but the Catechism does:
Catechism #1037: God predestines no one to go to hell; for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end.
Catechism #405: Although it is proper to each individual, original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam’s descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin - an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence". Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.
Catechism #1037: God predestines no one to go to hell; for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end.
Catechism #405: Although it is proper to each individual, original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam’s descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin - an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence". Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.
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To your original question…yes! Of course God loves us all!
No, He doesn’t support IVF, nor does He support rape, incest, adultery, fornication…the sin belongs to the parents, or one of them, never to the child.
No, He doesn’t support IVF, nor does He support rape, incest, adultery, fornication…the sin belongs to the parents, or one of them, never to the child.
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