I don’t believe God will punish us all because the US government supports organizations like PP. We are each judged as individuals and God knows us with 100% certainty. You cannot hide your sins from Him.Because every U.S. citizen pays taxes to the Federal Government, and the Federal Government provides funding to organizations of death such as Planned Parenthood, does this mean that all U.S. citizens are condemned for the sin of supporting abortion? What is the Catholic Church teaching on such matters?
Although, many Catholics do not accept every word and story in the Old Testament to be literally true.Read the Old Testament and you will find numerous occassions where GOD punished the entire nation of Isreal for the weakness of the nations kings which led them into idolatory and refusing the hear and acknowledge the prophets which GOD sent. Even at HIS trial, the leaders of Isreal shouted “let HIS blood be upon us and our children” still even in JESUS presence refusing to acknowledge HIM.
Do not grow comfortable in believing that “you” are to be spared from GOD’s wrath when HE raises HIS HAND against america. GOD does not operate under a “fairness” doctrine, but rather from mercy and truth. You need to stay in a state of grace every day, tomorrow is not promised.
G-d has a special, the original, covenant with Israel (both people and land) from Abraham to today. He did condemn peoples (which is what the word ‘nations’ meant in the OT) such as the Ammorites and the Moabites and Canaanites among others. However, the modern nation-state, no.Read the Old Testament and you will find numerous occassions where GOD punished the entire nation of Isreal for the weakness of the nations kings which led them into idolatory and refusing the hear and acknowledge the prophets which GOD sent. Even at HIS trial, the leaders of Isreal shouted “let HIS blood be upon us and our children” still even in JESUS presence refusing to acknowledge HIM.
Do not grow comfortable in believing that “you” are to be spared from GOD’s wrath when HE raises HIS HAND against america. GOD does not operate under a “fairness” doctrine, but rather from mercy and truth. You need to stay in a state of grace every day, tomorrow is not promised.
He certainly could.Because every U.S. citizen pays taxes to the Federal Government, and the Federal Government provides funding to organizations of death such as Planned Parenthood, does this mean that all U.S. citizens are condemned for the sin of supporting abortion? What is the Catholic Church teaching on such matters?
God condemns the sin not the sinner. However if God foresees that a nation can be corrected He will allow it to come. God disciplines in His love and that for a nation to endure His correction may involve war. It was mentioned in the Diary of St. Maria Faustina of God’s great displeasure of the sins of Poland which led the nation into a war with Germany to help correct it. One of the major sins which St. Maria mentioned was this sin of abortion which was rampart back then. Now this sin of abortion is even more rampart in these present days and I don’t know how God can correct any nation that supports it unless He will allow certain sufferings to befall that nation. It would be better if the Church would up her ante to witness more for the Lord Jesus. The Church has all the power to do this and change this nation back to God. Perhaps God is waiting for the Church to flex her muscles! If the Church will not flex her muscles to change this world for the better than God will flex His. Yet the Lord Jesus wants to heal sin. He wants us to heal sin. We can help Jesus to heal our nation back to Him. We just need more Christians on this bandwagon to work to heal this nation. Perhaps God will flex some of His muscle later on to help achieve this for His Church when He is forced to.Because every U.S. citizen pays taxes to the Federal Government, and the Federal Government provides funding to organizations of death such as Planned Parenthood, does this mean that all U.S. citizens are condemned for the sin of supporting abortion? What is the Catholic Church teaching on such matters?
Yes. But Noah cursed Canaan. Judah procreated with a Caananite Woman; Jesus, Mary, and Joesph are of a Canaanite blood line.G-d has a special, the original, covenant with Israel (both people and land) from Abraham to today. He did condemn peoples (which is what the word ‘nations’ meant in the OT) such as the Ammorites and the Moabites and Canaanites among others. However, the modern nation-state, no.
“No”, is the comfortable answer that absolves us from sharing in GOD’s wrath when it comes. A better response would be “not yet”, has GOD condemned the mondern nation-state, because HE is slow to anger, but HIS patience has a time and we cannot remove ourselves by our words.G-d has a special, the original, covenant with Israel (both people and land) from Abraham to today. He did condemn peoples (which is what the word ‘nations’ meant in the OT) such as the Ammorites and the Moabites and Canaanites among others. However, the modern nation-state, no.
Saint Padre Pio encountered a man who told the saint, “I do not believe in hell”, and after looking at him for a moment, Saint Padre Pio responded , “you will when you get there” as GOD had given Saint Padre Pio the ability to discern a persons heart. A declaration of non-belief carries no weight with GOD. It is a feel good at the moment behavior which has eternal consequences for those who rely upon such beliefs for their eternal soul.Although, many Catholics do not accept every word and story in the Old Testament to be literally true.
Well, if the Padre said these people will believe in hell once they get there, that is implying they will regret their decisions…but I always thought the people in hell were perfectly content being somewhere without Jesus, because they lived their whole lives without him, hell would be no different for them, plus, its said they CHOOSE hell, no one sends them there…??Saint Padre Pio encountered a man who told the saint, “I do not believe in hell”, and after looking at him for a moment, Saint Padre Pio responded , “you will when you get there” as GOD had given Saint Padre Pio the ability to discern a persons heart. A declaration of non-belief carries no weight with GOD. It is a feel good at the moment behavior which has eternal consequences for those who rely upon such beliefs for their eternal soul.
JESUS said unless you come to me as a little child you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven - paraphrase. Little children belief without understanding. They just trust that it is true, not why or how come it is true. It is far better to believe without full understanding, then to reject GOD because you cannot understand fully. In one method you mimic a little child, in the other an obstinate adult.
What would really answer this is if we could figure out how long Sodom and Gomorrah went on as they did before God took action…this would probably be a good indicator of how much time it takes God to ‘act’ in a situation like this.“No”, is the comfortable answer that absolves us from sharing in GOD’s wrath when it comes. A better response would be “not yet”, has GOD condemned the mondern nation-state, because HE is slow to anger, but HIS patience has a time and we cannot remove ourselves by our words.
YOU sir (or madam) are totally insane if you honestly think that.Read the Old Testament and you will find numerous occassions where GOD punished the entire nation of Isreal for the weakness of the nations kings which led them into idolatory and refusing the hear and acknowledge the prophets which GOD sent. Even at HIS trial, the leaders of Isreal shouted “let HIS blood be upon us and our children” still even in JESUS presence refusing to acknowledge HIM.
Do not grow comfortable in believing that “you” are to be spared from GOD’s wrath when HE raises HIS HAND against america. GOD does not operate under a “fairness” doctrine, but rather from mercy and truth. You need to stay in a state of grace every day, tomorrow is not promised.
You people who quote the OT literally and condone the genocide therein just baffle me.He certainly could.
The national sin of the Federal Government may seem abstract. One comes away with a sense of futility when we see what it does collectively. But it’s sin is still remembered by God.
From: Ref, Saul First King of Israel,Joseph Miller
But the case against the nation of Amalek 1 Sam. xv. 2,3 and God’s remembering the crime against His people. Although the offense occured long ago from this point of reference, He remembers still.
"Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt; how he met thee by the way, and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble(today: the unborn,the imprisoned vulnerable,capital punishment) when thou wast faint and weary; and he feared not God.
and to Moses He instructs…
“Therefore it shall be, when the Lord thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the Land in which the Lord the God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt nor forget it” Deut .xxv.17-19
Miller writes (italics mine):
“in determination on the part of God now to punish, the utterance of which was prefaced by those emphatic words, “I remember”, we are distinctly taught the lesson that the conduct of nations is a point to which the eye of God is directed, and that it is a matter for which His just penalty will be reserved. Whole nations come under His gaze, and within the reach of his rod. By the individuals composing a community, there is a great danger that national sin should be regarded as an abstraction than as a reality, rather than an ideal than a substantial criminality. But it is not thus that God, in the incident before us deals with it. He affixes it as a substantive charge, upon the community. And he who did thus with the daring impiety of Amalek, who marked it and recorded it, has ever done the same with the sins of other nations;, and as, one after another their greatness has tottered and fallen, the sun of prosperity declining and setting behind the clouds of desolation and destruction…”
Do you also think God will punish, what was it, the iniquity down to the third and fourth generation? Yes, murdering children seventy years later is as just as it gets.You people who quote the OT literally and condone the genocide therein just baffle me.
There is no way we can know this…I know it sounds bad, but as humans, we tend to form opinions based on what we know to be good and bad, when Gods views on this may be a bit different.You speak of “fairness”…so…does an eleven year old American Catholic, for example, who dies get held accountable for his inaction on making abortion illegal again? What about a 15 year old? 18? When Catholics ask themselves these questions the whole concept of mortal sin and its punishment becomes ridiculous.
Read about the life of Saint Padre Pio. One of the gifts GOD granted him was to 'know" the state of person hear. He spent many hours in the confessional, and he would tell people sins they have forgotten or refused to disclose because GOD gave him the gift of that knowledge. His comments to the man about believing in hell when he would get there is more than stating that he would regret his choice, but the he would physically be in hell, because he was never going to change before he died.Well, if the Padre said these people will believe in hell once they get there, that is implying they will regret their decisions…but I always thought the people in hell were perfectly content being somewhere without Jesus, because they lived their whole lives without him, hell would be no different for them, plus, its said they CHOOSE hell, no one sends them there…??