Does God the Father have a soul?

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Bookcat said:
God created our soul. He does not have to have a soul to create one…

If I were to create a mechanical clock

…I do would not have to have to go “tic- tock” myself…
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Your post does not make any sense.

It was the love that encompassed God’s soul that was the impetus for bringing creation into existence.
 
zarthan said:
Your post does not make any sense.
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Yes it does (except for the typo)

God did not have to have a soul …to create us with a soul.

I do not have to make a go tic- tock like a mechanical clock in order for me to create one that goes tic -tock

(you must not have a mechanical clock…(they are real cool)
 
zarthan said:
Bookcat:why is it that you always have to have the last word? Is it because you said to me in another thread that the Son of God does not have a divine soul?

Really, I would like to hear what others have to say about this.
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Others are free to post whenever…my posting does not block theirs 🙂

(one could say the same of you :)…hee hee…it tis just the “nature of the forum” for both of us…someone posts…others reply. then one posts…and others reply …as you have done to my posts all the time…not from any need for you to “have the last word” but to reply…just that way things work…)

and in that case I thought of that GREAT homily…I really do hope …everyone reads it…
 
Apollos said:
By the same token God must also have had a human body, so that cannot be the meaning of that verse. If God is soul and spirit, then which one is God - the soul or the spirit?
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I apologize, post #17 was meant for you.

As far as God the Father not having a human body, I can not answer that at least from what we know from scripture. Although anatomical terms are used with regard to God.

Do any of us ask ourselves which part of us is us? No, we know that our soul, and also our spirit are part of us and they are integrated in some manner.
 
zarthan said:
I apologize, post #17 was meant for you.

As far as God the Father not having a human body, I can not answer that at least from what we know from scripture. Although anatomical terms are used with regard to God.

Do any of us ask ourselves which part of us is us? No, we know that our soul, and also our spirit are part of us and they are integrated in some manner.
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Okay, but there can be no change in God, so any emotions he shows are only like what we call emotions. In fact, if you want to take it further, just calling him “Father” cannot possibly be in the same sense we use it of human fathers, because every father is a son first, and God cannot have a cause. Similarly God cannot have parts, so if one part of God is spirit and the other part is soul, then one of those parts has to be God and the other not-God.
 
The English language is not sufficient to explain soul and spirit. In Hebrew, the soul is known as something of created life with a spirit and body. The spirit is something of the essence of the being, it can’t be seen.Therefore the soul is the sum of spirit and body. body + spirit = soul. Therefore God is spirit, He can’t be/have a soul, that requires a body.
 
FaithJoy said:
The English language is not sufficient to explain soul and spirit. In Hebrew, the soul is known as something of created life with a spirit and body. The spirit is something of the essence of the being, it can’t be seen.Therefore the soul is the sum of spirit and body. body + spirit = soul. Therefore God is spirit, He can’t be/have a soul, that requires a body.
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Is the spirit within us created by God?
Is the soul within us created by God?

Our our bodies created by God with human intervention?

In what way are we created in the image and likeness of God?
 
Apollos said, 'Okay, but there can be no change in God, so any emotions he shows are only like what we call emotions. In fact, if you want to take it further, just calling him “Father” cannot possibly be in the same sense we use it of human fathers, because every father is a son first, and God cannot have a cause. Similarly God cannot have parts, so if one part of God is spirit and the other part is soul, then one of those parts has to be God and the other not-God. ’

God does not change. **True. **

Any ‘emotions’ of God are not fully and truly represented by us, we are only a dim reflection of such. True. In fact, love, peace and joy in the truest sense are only from God.

The term ‘Father’ as we know it, can not be attributed to Him for He is without beginning, True. Nevertheless, as a Father he chastises His children whom He loves.

God can not have parts. Not proven as of yet. As I stated before, as soul and spirit God is integrated, not divided .

“May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. The one who calls you is faithful and he will do it”
 
All well and good, but it does not say in what way we are in the image and likeness of God. It does say that God is Spirit.

What disturbs me is the way the NAB eliminates the word for ‘nephesh’ (soul) from twelve of the thirteen Hebrew scriptures which speak of the ‘soul’ (nephesh) of God. The RSV is better, it only eliminates the word ‘soul’ in seven of the thirteen scriptures.

We know from implication as we read the various scriptures that the human soul is the seat of emotion and will.

Job 23:13 Speaks of the soul of God in terms of will.

All the other scriptures on the soul of God speak of his **abhorrence **of evil doers.
The only exception is Isaiah 42:1 where He says 'this is my beloved servant, in whom my soul is well pleased

The only exceptions to this are in Lev. 26:11, and Zechariah 11:8.

Jesus in quoting the scriptures said:

“It is written, ‘man shall not live by bread alone, but by **every word **which proceeds out of the mouth of God’”

Matt.4:4

Why do you, or any other of the posters, and the catholic church itself ,believe that the
‘nephesh’ of God should be dismissed or eliminated from scripture all together?

This word is in sacred scripture and to dismiss it, is to dismiss the teachings of Jesus Christ.
 
zarthan said:
All well and good, but it does not say in what way we are in the image and likeness of God. It does say that God is Spirit.

What disturbs me is the way the NAB eliminates the word for ‘nephesh’ (soul) from twelve of the thirteen Hebrew scriptures which speak of the ‘soul’ (nephesh) of God. The RSV is better, it only eliminates the word ‘soul’ in seven of the thirteen scriptures.

We know from implication as we read the various scriptures that the human soul is the seat of emotion and will.

Job 23:13 Speaks of the soul of God in terms of will.

All the other scriptures on the soul of God speak of his **abhorrence **of evil doers.
The only exception is Isaiah 42:1 where He says 'this is my beloved servant, in whom my soul is well pleased

The only exceptions to this are in Lev. 26:11, and Zechariah 11:8.

Jesus in quoting the scriptures said:

“It is written, ‘man shall not live by bread alone, but by **every word **which proceeds out of the mouth of God’”

Matt.4:4

Why do you, or any other of the posters, and the catholic church itself ,believe that the
‘nephesh’ of God should be dismissed or eliminated from scripture all together?

This word is in sacred scripture and to dismiss it, is to dismiss the teachings of Jesus Christ.
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Got to run…

but to Answer briefly the last part:

We do not…

(as to the details…I am not a Hebrew etc person…for details call CA show on Thurs and ask Jimmy Akin…I will listen too…🙂
 
If it is the teaching of the Catholic church that the Son of God does not have a divine soul, than it makes every bit of sense why the NAB only refers to the soul (nephesh) of God once in their English translation. Where in the scriptures does it say that God’s Spirit is ‘well pleased’, or ‘abhors’, or ‘loves’? It is a shame that the theology of the Son of God cis hampered by such poor English translation of a very important word. A word that first occurs in Gen.2:7. Below is a listing of all known references to the soul of God.
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                          Douay-Rheims             NAB                       RSV                 ERV
Lev.26:11 Omitted
Lev.26:30 Omitted

Job 23:13 Omitted Omitted

Ps.11:5 Omitted

Isaiah 1:14 Omitted
Isaiah 42:1 Omitted

Jer.5:9 Omitted Omitted
Jer.5:29 Omitted Omitted
Jer.6:8 Omitted Omitted
Jer.9:9 Omitted Omitted
Jer.14:19 Omitted Omitted
Jer.32:41

Zech.11:8 Omitted Omitted

Matt.12:18 Omitted
 
Thanks to my great editing skills, I was unable to correct the previous post.
The Douay-Rheims and the ERV translate every reference of ‘nephesh’ (soul) of God as "soul’ in the sacred scriptures.

I do not think it was coincidence that Jesus quoted scripture when tempted by Satan, and that he specifically quoted “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by **every **word which proceeds from the mouth of God.” Gen.2;7 states that God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Lev. 26:11 omitted by NAB
Lev. 26:30 omitted by NAB

Job 23:13 omitted by NAB, RSV

Ps. 11:5 omitted by NAB

Isaiah 1:14 omitted by NAB
Isaiah 42:1 omitted by NAB

Jer.5:9 omitted by NAB, RSV
Jer.5:29 omitted by NAB, RSV
Jer.6:8 omitted by NAB, RSV
Jer.9:9 omitted by NAB, RSV
Jer.14:9 omitted by NAB
Jer.32:41

Zech.11:8 omitted by NAB, RSV

Matt.12:18 omitted by NAB,
 
zarthan said:
If it is the teaching of the Catholic church that the Son of God does not have a divine soul, than it makes every bit of sense why the NAB only refers to the soul (nephesh) of God once in their English translation. Where in the scriptures does it say that God’s Spirit is ‘well pleased’, or ‘abhors’, or ‘loves’? It is a shame that the theology of the Son of God cis hampered by such poor English translation of a very important word. A word that first occurs in Gen.2:7. Below is a listing of all known references to the soul of God.
Code: 
                          Douay-Rheims             NAB                       RSV                 ERV
Lev.26:11 Omitted
Lev.26:30 Omitted

Job 23:13 Omitted Omitted

Ps.11:5 Omitted

Isaiah 1:14 Omitted
Isaiah 42:1 Omitted

Jer.5:9 Omitted Omitted
Jer.5:29 Omitted Omitted
Jer.6:8 Omitted Omitted
Jer.9:9 Omitted Omitted
Jer.14:19 Omitted Omitted
Jer.32:41

Zech.11:8 Omitted Omitted

Matt.12:18 Omitted
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Not hampered…rather the Church (and I would imagine most Protestant communities) are correct that God does not have a soul (except that Jesus of course has a human soul in the Incarnation) I assume you mean ESV…

(by the way RSV and ESV are translations largely done by Protestant Scholars…later we made a few changes to te RSV and it became the RSV CE (and there have been some Catholic presence on the continuing RSV team). The ESV was done by Evangelicals.
 
Frankly, it does not matter to me what the Protestant church or the Catholic church "thinks’ regarding this matter. The only thing that matters is what the word of God states as true.
 
zarthan said:
Frankly, it does not matter to me what the Protestant church or the Catholic church "thinks’ regarding this matter. The only thing that matters is what the word of God states as true.
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Jesus founded a Church and that Church is guided by the Holy Spirit and certainly understands this correctly…God does not have “a divine soul”.

One would not even know what books make up the canon of the Bible if it were not for the Church guided by the Holy Spirit…

and as to understanding them…

Various founders of heresies and their followers have down through history have understood various verses in Scripture as “what God states as true”…

Thus another reason why Jesus founded a Church and gave that Church authority in his Name…and the Holy Spirit…

Yes what God states a true is true…but what I as an individual person think
“he stated” can be very wrong…
 
zarthan, you are falling prey to the Romantic notion of a soul. You see a person as having a soul, because to be soulless would be something terrible. God is a person, so you see people saying God has no soul as something very bad. But God does have a soul in the OT sense, of having a heart or will so to speak. When people say God has no soul, it is strictly in a theological sense. People have a soul, only because we distinguish something from this animated clay that is our body. Does our soul have a soul? Do the dead have more than a soul? No, they are just a soul. You might even say they have no soul, just existence as a spirit. See the distinction? God and the Angels have no body. They are pure spirit (just like our soul.) Therefore, they are pure soul without body.

When we talk of a human soul, we are speaking of one that is connected with a body, and at the Resurrection of the Dead, it will be re-united. There is nothing wrong with you thinking that God and the Angels are souls (instead of spirits,) as long as you realize that this is theologically inaccurate, and will cause all sorts of controversy. Try to think of the souls as spirits. Then, when you think of God the Father, as a spirit, or the Angels as spirits, you won’t be bothered by the idea that they don’t have souls, because they are souls. Souls by this definition would be a person of pure spirit. Only the Angels were created this way, and God in His being is a pure spirit. Our own souls are created beneath the angels and tethered to a lump of clay.

You must also beware of the Protestant leaven. You are quick to oppose what the Church teaches, because (in your opinion) it goes against God’s written word. However, you are using your own personal judgment to make this decision. That is the leaven of the Protestant, the soul of the Protestant. 😉
 
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