Does God the Father have a soul?

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The body of Christ, the church is made up of individual members. When one member sins the whole body is imperfect and not holy. I really do not understand this concept of the church being holy, when there are members of the church who are unrepentant and living in sin. This is really different and foreign to my understanding of scripture.
 
I really do not understand this concept of the church being holy, when there are members of the church who are unrepentant and living in sin. This is really different and foreign to my understanding of scripture.
Those who are living in mortal sin are not holy…nor are they living members of the Church…they need to be reconciled with God and with his Church.

Other members commit venial sins…which yes harm the Church and themselves…but yet they are still living members! They are though holy…(in a state of grace…of life) some more so…some less so…

But yes a member who is in mortal sin…does not have life in himself…is not holy…

But the Church …calls them to repentance…and to life.
 
The body of Christ, the church is made up of individual members. When one member sins the whole body is imperfect and not holy. I really do not understand this concept of the church being holy, when there are members of the church who are unrepentant and living in sin. This is really different and foreign to my understanding of scripture.
This I can accept as true:
825 "The Church on earth is endowed already with a sanctity that is real though imperfect."295 In her members perfect holiness is something yet to be acquired:
 
I am not sure what the purpose is of this thread.

I thought that all believers were united on this.
 
The body of Christ, the church is made up of individual members. When one member sins the whole body is imperfect and not holy. I really do not understand this concept of the church being holy, when there are members of the church who are unrepentant and living in sin. This is really different and foreign to my understanding of scripture.
This must be a personal venting, because you read in your narrative that Jesus hand picks ones that are imperfect, or for lack of a better word- human.
Show me a church with perfect people in it.
They would only show there was no need for Jesus.
 
In my opinion, God created us in His image and likeness. We have souls which implies God has a soul. However, unlike ours, God has a perfect soul because He is perfect.
 
In my opinion, God created us in His image and likeness. We have souls which implies God has a soul. However, unlike ours, God has a perfect soul because He is perfect.
Try using that “reasoning” in philosophy.
Blanket statements without evidence are useless for us in the constant attempt to strive for understanding of the universe.
They actually detract from the persuit of it.
 
This must be a personal venting, because you read in your narrative that Jesus hand picks ones that are imperfect, or for lack of a better word- human.
Show me a church with perfect people in it.
They would only show there was no need for Jesus.
Please,I am not venting. I was trying to understand other posters who were saying the church is perfect. I understand that Jesus Christ is perfect, and that in theory, His body, the church is perfect as long as we are abiding in Him. As for other posters who are offended I would like to point out that no one has done what Pope John Paul II has done since Daniel the prophet. Here is a portion of what Pope John Paul II confessed on behalf of the whole church:

II. Confession of Sins Committed in the Service of Truth

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger: Let us pray that each one of us, looking to the Lord Jesus, meek and humble of heart, will recognize that even men of the Church, **in the name of faith and morals, have sometimes used methods not in keeping with the Gospel in the solemn duty of defending the truth. **[Silent prayer.]

The Holy Father: Lord, God of all men and women, in certain periods of history Christians have at times given in to intolerance and have not been faithful to the great commandment of love, sullying in this way the face of the Church, your Spouse. Have mercy on your sinful children and accept our resolve to seek and promote truth in the gentleness of charity, in the firm knowledge that truth can prevail only in virtue of truth itself. We ask this through Christ our Lord. R. Amen. R. Kyrie, eleison; Kyrie, eleison; Kyrie eleison.

[A lamp is lit before the Crucifix.]

Now read a portion of what the prophet Daniel confessed, a holy man of God:
Daniel 9:4-19
4] I prayed to the LORD my God and confessed: "O Lord, the great and awesome God, who keeps his covenant of love with all who love him and obey his commands, 5] we have sinned and done wrong. We have been wicked and have rebelled; we have turned away from your commands and laws. 6] We have not listened to your servants the prophets, who spoke in your name to our kings, our princes and our fathers, and to all the people of the land. 7] "Lord, you are righteous, but this day we are covered with shame—the men of Judah and people of Jerusalem and all Israel, both near and far, in all the countries where you have scattered us because of our unfaithfulness to you.
8] O LORD, we and our kings, our princes and our fathers are covered with shame because we have sinned against you. 9] The Lord our God is merciful and forgiving, even though we have rebelled against him; 10] we have not obeyed the LORD our God or kept the laws he gave us through his servants the prophets. 11] All Israel has transgressed your law and turned away, refusing to obey you. "Therefore the curses and sworn judgments written in the Law of Moses, the servant of God, have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against you. 12] You have fulfilled the words spoken against us and against our rulers by bringing upon us great disaster. Under the whole heaven nothing has ever been done like what has been done to Jerusalem. 13] Just as it is written in the Law of Moses, all this disaster has come upon us, yet we have not sought the favour of the LORD our God by turning from our sins and giving attention to your truth. 14] The LORD did not hesitate to bring the disaster upon us, for the LORD our God is righteous in everything he does; yet we have not obeyed him.
 
As a postscript to this thread, I want you to know that it does not matter what I believe, or what I think the early church fathers believed on the theology of the Son of God. What really matters, and is more essential than anything, is that the very love of God abides in our hearts through our Lord Jesus Christ.

I have tried to explain why there is sometimes conflict between traditionalists and biblicists. God honors both One can read how God honors the Rechabites who were traditionalists in the book of Jeremiah. One can read how God honors the Bereans who were biblicists in the book of Acts. Whether a traditionalist, or a biblicist we each must be walking humbly before God. “For God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”
 
What do you mean by this?
CONFESSION OF SINS AND ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS

March 12, 2000

Introduction

The Holy Father: Brothers and Sisters, let us turn with trust to God our Father, who is merciful and compassionate, slow to anger, great in love and fidelity, and ask him to accept the repentance of his people who humbly confess their sins, and to grant them mercy.

[All pray for a moment in silence.]

I. Confession of Sins in General

Cardinal Bernardin Gantin: Let us pray that our confession and repentance will be inspired by the Holy Spirit, that our sorrow will be conscious and deep, and that, humbly viewing the sins of the past in an authentic “purification of memory”, we will be committed to the path of true conversion. [Silent prayer.]

The Holy Father: Lord God, your pilgrim Church, which you ever sanctify in the blood of your Son, counts among her children in every age members whose holiness shines brightly forth and members whose disobedience to you contradicts the faith we profess and the Holy Gospel. You, who remain ever faithful, even when we are unfaithful, forgive our sins and grant that we may bear true witness to you before all men and women. We ask this through Christ our Lord. R. Amen.

Cantor: Kyrie, eleison; Kyrie, eleison; Kyrie eleison.

The assembly repeats: Kyrie, eleison; Kyrie, eleison; Kyrie eleison.

[A lamp is lit before the Crucifix.]

II. Confession of Sins Committed in the Service of Truth

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger: Let us pray that each one of us, looking to the Lord Jesus, meek and humble of heart, will recognize that even men of the Church, in the name of faith and morals, have sometimes used methods not in keeping with the Gospel in the solemn duty of defending the truth. [Silent prayer.]

The Holy Father: Lord, God of all men and women, in certain periods of history Christians have at times given in to intolerance and have not been faithful to the great commandment of love, sullying in this way the face of the Church, your Spouse. Have mercy on your sinful children and accept our resolve to seek and promote truth in the gentleness of charity, in the firm knowledge that truth can prevail only in virtue of truth itself. We ask this through Christ our Lord. R. Amen. R. Kyrie, eleison; Kyrie, eleison; Kyrie eleison.

[A lamp is lit before the Crucifix.]

III. Confession of Sins which have Harmed the unity of the body of Christ

Cardinal Roger Etchegaray: Let us pray that our recognition of the sins which have rent the unity of the Body of Christ and wounded fraternal charity will facilitate the way to reconciliation and communion among all Christians. [Silent prayer.]

The Holy Father: Merciful Father, on the night before his Passion your Son prayed for the unity of those who believe in him: in disobedience to his will, however, believers have opposed one another, becoming divided, and have mutually condemned one another and fought against one another. We urgently implore your forgiveness and we beseech the gift of a repentant heart, so that all Christians, reconciled with you and with one another will be able, in one body and in one spirit, to experience anew the joy of full communion. We ask this through Christ our Lord. R. Amen. R. Kyrie, eleison; Kyrie, eleison; Kyrie eleison.

[A lamp is lit before the Crucifix.]

IV. Confession of the Sins Against the People of Israel

Cardinal Edward Cassidy: Let us pray that, in recalling the sufferings endured by the people of Israel throughout history, Christians will acknowledge the sins committed by not a few of their number against the people of the Covenant and the blessings, and in this way will purify their hearts. [Silent prayer.]

The Holy Father: God of our fathers, you chose Abraham and his descendants to bring your Name to the Nations: we are deeply saddened by the behaviour of those who in the course of history have caused these children of yours to suffer, and asking your forgiveness we wish to commit ourselves to genuine brotherhood with the people of the Covenant. We ask this through Christ our Lord. R. Amen R. Kyrie, eleison; Kyrie, eleison; Kyrie eleison.

[A lamp is lit before the Crucifix.]

V. Confession of Sins Committed in Action Against Love, Peace, the Rights of Peoples, and Respect for Cultures and Religions

Archbishop Stephen Fumio Hamao: Let us pray that contemplating Jesus, our Lord and our Peace, Christians will be able to repent of the words and attitudes caused by pride, by hatred, by the desire to dominate others, by enmity towards members of other religions and towards the weakest groups in society, such as immigrants and itinerants. [Silent prayer.]

The Holy Father: Lord of the world, Father of all, through your Son you asked us to love our enemies, to do good to those who hate us and to pray for those who persecute us. Yet Christians have often denied the Gospel; yielding to a mentality of power, they have violated the rights of ethnic groups and peoples, and shown contempt for their cultures and religious traditions: be patient and merciful towards us, and grant us your forgiveness! We ask this through Christ our Lord. R. Amen. R. Kyrie, eleison; Kyrie, eleison; Kyrie, eleison.

[A lamp is lit before the Crucifix.]

Concluding Prayer

The Holy Father: Most merciful Father, your Son, Jesus Christ, the judge of the living and the dead, in the humility of his first coming redeemed humanity from sin and in his glorious return he will demand an account of every sin. Grant that our forebears, our brothers and sisters, and we, your servants, who by the grace of the Holy Spirit turn back to you in whole-hearted repentance, may experience your mercy and receive the forgiveness of our sins. We ask this through Christ our Lord. R. Amen.

[As a sign of penance and veneration the Holy Father embraces and kisses the Crucifix.]
 
If God the Father has a soul, would His Son have a divine soul?

Since the Son of God is ‘the image of the invisible God’, and 'the refulgence of his glory, the very imprint of his being’
Hi zarthan,

No, God the Father does not have a soul. A soul is unique to human beings only. Angels don’t have souls either.

That being said, however, Jesus has a soul. Since God the Son (The Word), came to us in the human form of Jesus, Jesus was both divine (Second person of the Trinity) and human. Jesus has two natures: divind and human and it is the human nature of Jesus that now has the human soul.

So, Jesus now has the immortal resurrected body (that we all will have one day) that has been reunited with His soul (it was His soul that “descended to the dead”). Jesus remains fully divine as the second person of the Trinity.

blessings, 🙂
 
Hi zarthan,

No, God the Father does not have a soul. A soul is unique to human beings only. Angels don’t have souls either.

That being said, however, Jesus has a soul. Since God the Son (The Word), came to us in the human form of Jesus, Jesus was both divine (Second person of the Trinity) and human. Jesus has two natures: divind and human and it is the human nature of Jesus that now has the human soul.

So, Jesus now has the immortal resurrected body (that we all will have one day) that has been reunited with His soul (it was His soul that “descended to the dead”). Jesus remains fully divine as the second person of the Trinity.

blessings, 🙂
God’s blessing to you too.🙂
 
A Church that has pedophile priests offering up the holy Eucharist is not holy
So only perfect priests can offer up Holy Eucharist?

Can you show me any Church with perfect ministers?

The Church is Holy even if the members are not.
 
So only perfect priests can offer up Holy Eucharist?

Can you show me any Church with perfect ministers?

The Church is Holy even if the members are not.
Post #127 explains my understanding.

I don’t know how many Catholics appreciate Pope John Paul II’s confession of the sins of the church past. Unconfessed sin by the church remains unconfessed and the church remains guilty. What Pope John Paul II did was unprecedented. It had not been done since the holy prophet Dainiel confessed the sins of Israel before God.

Communal acceptance of sin is a Jewish understanding. It does not matter whether you or I were guilty of the sins of the past, or even of the sins in the present. In God’s eyes we all should be grieved over sin, and collectively cry out for God’s forgiveness. Reading Ezekiel;s account of those who cried out for the sins of Jerusalem would be instructive. Pope John Paul II was not only confessing the sins of the members of the body of Christ, but also the sins of those in spiritual authority from the past. I believe God heard his prayers and forgave the Catholic church. This is what brings holiness to the church.
 
Post #127 explains my understanding.

I don’t know how many Catholics appreciate Pope John Paul II’s confession of the sins of the church past. Unconfessed sin by the church remains unconfessed and the church remains guilty. What Pope John Paul II did was unprecedented. It had not been done since the holy prophet Dainiel confessed the sins of Israel before God.

Communal acceptance of sin is a Jewish understanding. It does not matter whether you or I were guilty of the sins of the past, or even of the sins in the present. In God’s eyes we all should be grieved over sin, and collectively cry out for God’s forgiveness. Reading Ezekiel;s account of those who cried out for the sins of Jerusalem would be instructive. Pope John Paul II was not only confessing the sins of the members of the body of Christ, but also the sins of those in spiritual authority from the past. I believe God heard his prayers and forgave the Catholic church. This is what brings holiness to the church.
Again this is not a correct understanding of what Pope John Paul II did and of the Church…

(for example it was sins of members of the Church…not “sins of the Catholic Church”)

See the documents quoted above.
 
Post #127 explains my understanding.

I don’t know how many Catholics appreciate Pope John Paul II’s confession of the sins of the church past. Unconfessed sin by the church remains unconfessed and the church remains guilty. What Pope John Paul II did was unprecedented. It had not been done since the holy prophet Dainiel confessed the sins of Israel before God.

Communal acceptance of sin is a Jewish understanding. It does not matter whether you or I were guilty of the sins of the past, or even of the sins in the present. In God’s eyes we all should be grieved over sin, and collectively cry out for God’s forgiveness. Reading Ezekiel;s account of those who cried out for the sins of Jerusalem would be instructive. Pope John Paul II was not only confessing the sins of the members of the body of Christ, but also the sins of those in spiritual authority from the past. I believe God heard his prayers and forgave the Catholic church. This is what brings holiness to the church.
And nowhere in the apology or the Confession did the late Holy Father say that the Church sinned.

Christ extended in us is the Church. Thus only what is done out of this union with Christ in us is the Church, such as teaching on faith or morals by the Magisterium, the sacramental life of the Church, the acts of virtue done in grace by the faithful, above all the lives of heroic sanctity of the Saints. When man was reconciled to God by and in His Son the Catholic Church, the Incarnation extended in time and place, became the means by which humanity could enter into the New Covenant in the Blood of Christ. Through the Church, the Mystical Body of Christ, God dispenses the Grace (Divine Life) - especially through the sacramental life - to bring all people to Himself. The Church in its essence (Christ) is holy, but individual members can be and often are sinful, even dreadfully so. The errors in teaching by individuals or sections of the Church, the moral failures, the exercises in poor judgment, the omission of doing good when the circumstances require it, all this is done not by virtue of union with Christ, but by virtue of sinners’ own initiative as first cause themselves, and thus not by the Church. It takes divine faith that the Church is this Great Mystery of union between Christ and His Body to see this.
 
Hi zarthan,

No, God the Father does not have a soul. A soul is unique to human beings only. Angels don’t have souls either. . .
Precisely. 🙂 And the Father doesn’t “have” anything, He IS.
God is a simple being or substance excluding every kind of composition, physical or metaphysical. Physical or real composition is either substantial or accidental — substantial, if the being in question consists of two or more substantial principles, forming parts of a composite whole, as man for example, consists of body and soul; accidental, if the being in question, although simple in its substance (as is the human soul), is capable of possessing accidental perfections (like the actual thoughts and volition of man’s soul) not necessarily identical with its substance. Now it is clear that an infinite being cannot be substantially composite, for this would mean that infinity is made up of the union or addition of finite parts — a plain contradiction in terms. Nor can accidental composition be attributed to the infinite since even this would imply a capacity for increased perfection, which the very notion of the infinite excludes. There is not, therefore, and cannot be any physical or real composition in God.
Neither can there be that kind of composition which is known as metaphysical, and which results from “the union of diverse concepts referring to the same real thing in such a way that none of them by itself signifies either explicitly or even implicitly the whole reality signified by their combination.” Thus every actual contingent being is a metaphysical compound of essence and existence, and man in particular, according to the definition, is a compound of animal and rational. Essence as such in relation to a contingent being merely implies its conceivableness or possibility, and abstracts from actual existence; existence as such must be added before we can speak of the being as actual. But this distinction, with the composition it implies, cannot be applied to the self-existent or infinite being in whom essence and existence are completely identified. We say of a contingent being that it has a certain nature or essence, but of the self-existent we say that it is its own nature or essence. There is no composition therefore of essence and existence — or of potentiality and actuality — in God, nor can the composition of genus and specific difference, implied for example in the definition of man as a rational animal, be attributed to Him.
newadvent.org/cathen/06612a.htm#IC
 
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