Does God want everyone to be Catholic?

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ClydeViola said:
There is spiritual wickedness in high places: ‘tax and spend, divide and conquer, and control and enslave’ and, it dates back to the Holy Roman Empire. At that time a Christian military unit – the Knights Templar, induced the Pope, the most influential person on earth, to use his power not only to subjugate commoners but also to subordinate all the kings and queens in Europe. Through fear of the Papal Inquisition and backed up by its crusading mercenary armies, this consolidation of power persisted for centuries and transformed into the basis for the international banking system, which, even today, continues unabated. By operating covertly to finance weapons and provoking warfare between nations, they secretly control the economy of the Earth. At the very tip of this pyramid of power, the Jesuits order – the Protectors of the Church, structured like an army and still with the mindset to regain for the Papacy what it had lost to the Reformation, conspire with the descendants of those aristocratic families – the cabal – by laundering their money through the Vatican Bank and thus hide their criminal agenda from world scrutiny.

I have no reason to lie: this is the history of the ‘Catholic’ Church.

Although there are many wonderful and loving human beings engaged with the Church, it is time to come clean, and if it truly God’s Church, I am certain, it will resurrect from its flames and become what God had intended for it to be: a benevolent force on earth.
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This is not the history of the Catholic Church. Where did you get this?
 
Cheezey!.. I am going to be brutally honest with you!

The Holy Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus Christ established! There is absolutely no doubt about it!

When Jesus Christ says “You must eat my flesh and drink my blood to have life” over and over… When Jesus Christ says " you are Peter , and on this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it"… When Jesus Christ says " I will give you the keys to the Kingdom, and what you bind on earth will be bound in heaven and what you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven"… When Jesus Christ gave His authority to His Apostles to forgive and retain sin and to pass on that authority all the way down to our current day Priests and Bishops within the Catholic Church… And ONLY the Catholic Church!.. Why, if you are truly serious about being a Christian, would you consider anything else? And why would you care about ANY OBSTICLES, ANY HURT FEELINGS CAUSED BY ANYONE!..OR ANY AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES?!

Your ONLY concern should be to receive the Holy Eucharist!.. So stay on the narrow path, learn what it means to be a true Catholic, and be Confirmed “A Catholic”!

If every one us Catholics in this forum were to start telling of the difficulties and challenges in our Catholic lives, Catholic Answers would have to shut it down!

We are all deeply concerned about your journey… But when you says things like your not sure if you are going to become a Catholic because of some challenges… WOW!
It makes us all wonder if you’ve ever heard about the Agony in the Garden, the Scourging at the Pillar… The Crowning of the Thorns. The Carrying of the Cross… and finally,
His Crucifixion!

I’m sorry for being so impatient, but man!.. You have got to get a new attitude!
I fear, as long as you keep this one… He will put even bigger obsticles in your path until you bend to His will!

I pray that you are not so stubborn that you never will!

God Bless… Future Catholic!
 
Chez said:
Dear Lisa…

You seem like a lovely person who wants the best for everyone.

And you are absolutely correct!.. Denominations don’t matter.

However, the Catholic Church, and Her Faithful are not a denomination!

We are the One, Holy, catholic and Apostolic Faith!

There are so many things you are depriving yourself of by not coming home to His one True Church… Two of the most important and beautiful being, (and Jesus Christ could not have been more clear about it!)… The Sacrement of Reconciliation, and the Holy Eucharist!

Do yourself a favor… Read what the early Church fathers had to say about early Christianity. Read what they were doing just after the Resserection of our Lord and Savior!

You’ll be very, very surprised to learn that they were indeed Catholic… And it truly did, and does matter!

Here’s praying you make the journey!
Chez
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:nope:

Like I said before,

God wants everyone to be born again.
 
Aaron_Creagh said:
:nope:

Like I said before,

God wants everyone to be born again.
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Define ‘born again’.

We are born again in baptism.

John 3:5 “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”

This is baptism by water.
 
Aaron_Creagh said:
:nope:

Like I said before,

God wants everyone to be born again.
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Yes, so what did he do to enable that? He sent his son to die for us, to rise from the dead and then establish a church to spread the truth about salvation and administer his sacraments. That Church is the Catholic Church.

All other Christian churches have separated themselves from the one true Church because some person thought he had a better idea. We know who they are. Every Protestant church knows its founder.
 
I am going to be brutally honest with you!
The Holy Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus Christ established! There is absolutely no doubt about it!.👍

That’s why I am in RCIA.

…if you are truly serious about being a Christian, would you consider anything else? And why would you care about ANY OBSTICLES, ANY HURT FEELINGS CAUSED BY ANYONE!..OR ANY AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES?!

**If? I would not be in RCIA for an “if.” And please do not yell. People who are not well should not be yelled at. **

Your ONLY concern should be to receive the Holy Eucharist!..

That’s what brought me here! Well, that and Him, of course…😉

If every one us Catholics in this forum were to start telling of the difficulties and challenges in our Catholic lives, Catholic Answers would have to shut it down!

We are all deeply concerned about your journey… But…

"But" negates the previous. Then please pray that I get to the right destination. I am a little concerned about that. Thanks.

…It makes us all wonder if you’ve ever heard about the Agony in the Garden, the Scourging at the Pillar… The Crowning of the Thorns. The Carrying of the Cross… and finally,
His Crucifixion!

**Who is ‘us all’?
And you are right, I haven’t heard of these things…

Of course, I have. Been a Christian a mighty long time. Yes, the teachings are not entirely the same, and neither are they so entirely different that I come to RCIA completely ingnorant. As mentioned earlier, I’ve been studying the Catholicism for two years. And I’ve been on the planet a loooong time. One tends to learn things that way, too. You know little of me, much less my religious education. Please do not suggest otherwise.
**

I’m sorry for being so impatient, but man!.. You have got to get a new attitude!
I fear, as long as you keep this one… He will put even bigger obsticles in your path until you bend to His will!

**Until? He’s calling me. I am listening! Rather intently, I might add…🙂
I am bending to His will by being tenacious to become Catholic. I never said I was giving up.

And my attitude is, I would be very happy and humbled to give Him the proper adoration necessary.
(By the way I am a :curtsey:)**

I am guessing you were referencing these words of mine…

…because I don’t know that I am a future Catholic anymore, what with all the challenges just getting to that point. And it’s not for lack of trying!!! And I shall keep trying til I am dead.…

I don’t know, and that’s okay. I am just following Him. Where ever He leads me. God knows and to Him I am being lead as always and yet now, in a slightly different way. 👍 I am saying yes to Him again. Never said I was giving up. There’s that tenacity again! 😛 Hence, my tenacity to make sure I become what He wants and what He wants points me to the Catholic Church.
Isn’t this a good thing? Am I missing something?

many blessings
 
cheezey said:
That’s why I am in RCIA.
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Cheezey …

RCIA normally starts up each year in Aug/Sept. …ends on Easter Sunday.

Are you saying you didn’t finish… and are gonna go a second year, beginning this Fall ?
 
pocohombre said:
Oh please don’t get me going…I’m laughing ,it’s luch time. While your doctrine is one within the churchyou have the same variations,even on abortion. Do you know how many of my legislators are Catholic,and how they are for abortion on the government level? Come on and not one excommunication.Why even the past Planned Parenthood head honcho for our county was Catholic,educated in her schools.Do you know that half the voting Catholics voted for Obama despite his heavy pro abotion,pro gay ,pro stupid marriage,anti Israel etc etc etc etc.?..No, we are in the same boat where our Judeo Christian heritage is getting quite impotent in the western society-that is Catholic,Orthodox, Protestant alike- you in your unity and us in our disunity -makes no difference in this regard (abortion).
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Yes … lots of nominal, pretender Catholics out there Poco. Many of them are eventually attracted to some of Protestant churches, which are often more liberal.

Again, as we have told you and you now recognize … the sheep and goats are mixed together, both in the Secular world and the Church. Same was the case in the Temple, were Jesus worshiped. He once got very mad at them … and drove them out. But, the Elders were so provoked by actions of Jesus … that they drove him out.
 
cheezey said:
I am going to be brutally honest with you!
The Holy Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus Christ established! There is absolutely no doubt about it!.👍

That’s why I am in RCIA.

…if you are truly serious about being a Christian, would you consider anything else? And why would you care about ANY OBSTICLES, ANY HURT FEELINGS CAUSED BY ANYONE!..OR ANY AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES?!

**If? I would not be in RCIA for an “if.” And please do not yell. People who are not well should not be yelled at. **

Your ONLY concern should be to receive the Holy Eucharist!..

That’s what brought me here! Well, that and Him, of course…😉

If every one us Catholics in this forum were to start telling of the difficulties and challenges in our Catholic lives, Catholic Answers would have to shut it down!

We are all deeply concerned about your journey… But…

"But" negates the previous. Then please pray that I get to the right destination. I am a little concerned about that. Thanks.

…It makes us all wonder if you’ve ever heard about the Agony in the Garden, the Scourging at the Pillar… The Crowning of the Thorns. The Carrying of the Cross… and finally,
His Crucifixion!

**Who is ‘us all’?
And you are right, I haven’t heard of these things…

Of course, I have. Been a Christian a mighty long time. Yes, the teachings are not entirely the same, and neither are they so entirely different that I come to RCIA completely ingnorant. As mentioned earlier, I’ve been studying the Catholicism for two years. And I’ve been on the planet a loooong time. One tends to learn things that way, too. You know little of me, much less my religious education. Please do not suggest otherwise.
**

I’m sorry for being so impatient, but man!.. You have got to get a new attitude!
I fear, as long as you keep this one… He will put even bigger obsticles in your path until you bend to His will!

Until? He’s calling me. I am listening! Rather intently, I might add…🙂
I am bending to His will by being tenacious to become Catholic. I never said I was giving up.

And my attitude is, I would be very happy and humbled to give Him the proper adoration necessary.
(By the way I am a :curtsey:)

I am guessing you were referencing these words of mine…

…because I don’t know that I am a future Catholic anymore, what with all the challenges just getting to that point. And it’s not for lack of trying!!! And I shall keep trying til I am dead.…

I don’t know, and that’s okay. I am just following Him. Where ever He leads me. God knows and to Him I am being lead as always and yet now, in a slightly different way. 👍 I am saying yes to Him again. Never said I was giving up. There’s that tenacity again! 😛 Hence, my tenacity to make sure I become what He wants and what He wants points me to the Catholic Church.
Isn’t this a good thing? Am I missing something?

many blessings
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No, You are not missing anything. It is I who is missing something… Patients!

You keep forging ahead, you’ll be just fine!

I would suggest you see the movie “The Passion of the Christ”. It might help you understand why I got so impatient with you… Sorry!

God Bless!
Chez
 
cheezey said:
Started just this February after three months of calls/inquiries to the parish. A call to the parish from the Bishop’s office got me in. 👍
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Great … you will be well ready for entry next Easter ! With 14 months of preparation … vs. 6-7 months for the others.

A local Priest put me in a class I didn’t think was best for me. I almost quit. But, I’m not a quitter … so stuck it out. It all worked out OK.

All my questions that weren’t getting answered … I put on board here at CAF … and got complete answers. You must do the same. Don’t settle for being a nominal Catholic… be an extrordinary one !! The tougher the road to the finish line … the better prepared you will be at the finish …
 
brb3 said:
Great … you will be well ready for entry next Easter ! With 14 months of preparation … vs. 6-7 months for the others.

A local Priest put me in a class I didn’t think was best for me. I almost quit. But, I’m not a quitter … so stuck it out. It all worked out OK.

All my questions that weren’t getting answered … I put on board here at CAF … and got complete answers. You must do the same. Don’t settle for being a nominal Catholic… be an extrordinary one !! The tougher the road to the finish line … the better prepared you will be at the finish …
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and this is why I have almost 2000 posts in a relevantly short time!!
(Though some are just for fun, too…)

thank you!!
 
Brendan_64 said:
Define ‘born again’.

We are born again in baptism.

John 3:5 “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”

This is baptism by water.
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Water baptism does not make you born again.
 
brb3 said:
Yes … lots of nominal, pretender Catholics out there Poco. Many of them are eventually attracted to some of Protestant churches, which are often more liberal.

Again, as we have told you and you now recognize … the sheep and goats are mixed together, both in the Secular world and the Church. Same was the case in the Temple, were Jesus worshiped. He once got very mad at them … and drove them out. But, the Elders were so provoked by actions of Jesus … that they drove him out.
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yes but is it not a mortal sin to support abortion? Should such a Catholic continue to receive your Eucharist in front of all parisioners who know of their abortion support?
 
paul_c said:
Yes, so what did he do to enable that? He sent his son to die for us, to rise from the dead and then establish a church to spread the truth about salvation and administer his sacraments. That Church is the Catholic Church.

All other Christian churches have separated themselves from the one true Church because some person thought he had a better idea. We know who they are. Every Protestant church knows its founder.
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Just as you call reformers “founders” as if they reinvented the wheel, they point to how the Catholic Church left it’s original mission and began “straying” from it’s founder.
 
pocohombre said:
Just as you call reformers “founders” as if they reinvented the wheel, they point to how the Catholic Church left it’s original mission and began “straying” from it’s founder.
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They most certainly re-invented the wheel and they are not shy about telling how they re-invented the wheel either. These founders are proud of their innovations. Have you ever read the writings of Martin Luther or John Calvin? How did Luther come upon the concept of salvation by faith alone which was clearly an innovation. Or sola scriptura? or the rest of the 5 solas. Or his reducing the bible canon form 73 to 66 books. And what of Calvin’s double predestination? or his famous " TULIP". All of these concepts originated with their founders, not with Christ.

As for the Apostasy of the Catholic Church, can you prove it? when did it happen? What was the sign? I can prove the opposite. Study the church fathers. You will see that they follow the same doctrine that continues today in the Catholic church.
 
pocohombre said:
yes but is it not a mortal sin to support abortion? Should such a Catholic continue to receive your Eucharist in front of all parisioners who know of their abortion support?
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Yes, it is a mortal sin to support abortion and no, a person should not receive the Eucharist when mortal sin has taken them out of the state of grace.
 
pocohombre said:
Water baptism does not make you born again.
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Who has been misleading you? Yes, it does. Have you not read this in scripture?

This is what Jesus was talking about with Nicodemus in John 3: 5
5Jesus answered, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit.

And this is the commission Jesus gave the Apostles in Matthew 28:18-20:
18 Then Jesus approached and said to them, “All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19 Go, therefore,* and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.* And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age

And this what Peter did for the first converts at Pentecost a few week’s later (acts 2: 37-39)
37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and they asked Peter and the other apostles, “What are we to do, my brothers?’
38 Peter [said] to them, “Repent and be baptized,* every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is made to you and to your children and to all those far off, whomever the Lord our God will call.”

And this is what Peter had to say about the saving powers of baptism in 1Peter 3:
18For Christ also suffered* for sins once, the righteous for the sake of the unrighteous, that he might lead you to God. Put to death in the flesh, he was brought to life in the spirit.
19 In it he also went to preach to the spirits in prison,*
20 who had once been disobedient while God patiently waited in the days of Noah during the building of the ark, in which a few persons, eight in all, were saved through water.
21 This prefigured baptism, which saves you now. It is not a removal of dirt from the body but an appeal to God* for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,’ 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to him.j
 
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