Does God want everyone to be Catholic?

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I think you DO know, you’re response suggests you’re probably laboring under the weight of some bad former formation. Is that it?

What do you mean by “converting in time”?
You think I do know? You are respectfully wrong.

Yes, I am under pressure and weight thinking if I don’t join an organization I am “denying Jesus”, and condeming myself. That is stressful for someone.

As I said, I am looking to convet to Catholicism, but it’s not going to happen anytime soon.
 
You think I do know? You are respectfully wrong.

Yes, I am under pressure and weight thinking if I don’t join an organization I am “denying Jesus”, and condeming myself. That is stressful for someone.

As I said, I am looking to convet to Catholicism, but it’s not going to happen anytime soon.
This should be a joyful event. One that takes the weight off your shoulders. I don’t understand why it is stressful.
 
This should be a joyful event. One that takes the weight off your shoulders. I don’t understand why it is stressful.
is it possible there are roadblocks? As there were for me? I didn’t think it would ever happen just to get the call…
 
I do not think the Catholic Church is the only way to salvation, I think Jesus is. I find it a bit rediculous you guys threaten people with Hell (not all of you, just some) so they can convert. If anything, threatening me with hell makes me less willing to convert. I respect the Catholic tenants and the faith, but there was a thread on this very issue:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=579164

Question: Do Non-catholics go to heaven?

44.51% said “Only God knows”

42.86% said Yes.

6.59% said no.

6.04% said only non-catholic Christians.
As you can see from the poll results, not everyone here represents the official Catholic POV. I’ve been a Catholic all my life and what I have been taught is that any person, whether Christian or not, can go to heaven, but it’s up to God to judge.

I also know that just having the fullness of truth, which the Catholic Church has, does not guarantee that every Catholic will go to heaven. Up until the time of Jesus, the Jews were entrusted with the revealed truth of God, the Old Testament. Not many of us believe that every Jew went to heaven. Why, they even rejected Jesus, the Messiah!

So no Catholic should get all puffed up about having the fullness of truth. If we follow the pattern of the Old Testament church we are in deep trouble.

But stepping back for a moment… if I had been born in the BC era, I would want to have been born into a Hebrew family, because there I would have the inspired word of God at my disposal and the true worship of the One God, not the false idols of all the surrounding nations. Just so, being born in the 21st century I would want to be born into a Catholic family, to have the fullness of the truth and the worship of the Triune God, with all the graces that flow through the Church to its members through the sacraments. Having the fullness of truth doesn’t save anyone, but if we take it to heart and practice it, we have a better chance of gaining heaven than if we do not have it IMHO, and having the special graces that come to members is incalculable.

So I’m not going to tell anyone that if they don’t become Catholic they are going to hell. I only want them to know that being a member IMO will give them their best chance of pleasing God and ultimately spending eternity with Him. If I am unable to convince them, I can say that I at least tried. I truly wish that all people were Catholic.

Peace.
 
No you don’t .You don’t teach baptism of the HS as we do with it’s full giftings and speaking in tongues(though you allow the charismatic movement with neither a ye or ney) .You also separate too much clergy and laity,very OT, where the believer is somehow not as "gifted "or having equal access. While not in doctrine the priesthood in practice is on a pedestal, more so that in Protestant churches. We also have more assurance and a more direct belief to entrance into heaven by His blood without the need for purgatory intracies (purging yes but your intracies no).
Are you saying that in your faith, baptism includes speaking in tongues? Of course Catholic baptism is of and in the Holy Spirit, but not necessarily speaking in tongues. If a person began speaking in tongues during a baptism and another confirms the message, the Catholic Church would accept it, but speaking in tongues is not a necessary element in baptism.
We understand that our priests are human and make mistakes, like the rest of us, but we do give them great honorbecause they devoted their lives to the service of the Holy Trinity. Because of their intensive training and great sacrifice, we hold them in high esteem. After all, they are the vessel that Jesus uses to lead and teach the flock; they are the shepherds of the lambs. I would think that your pastor would also be held in high esteem for his dedication to the Lord. What greater calling is there?
BTW, the NT teachings of Christ are directly connected with the OT, and since our faith is Judeo-Christian connected, our traditions are continued from the time of Jesus (NT) to Judeo OT teachings. Remember Jesus was brought up in the Orthodox Jewish faith and gave great honor to the faith.
Jesus, himself, asked John to baptize him before he began His ministry. Although, Jesus was without sin, He set an example of washing away original sin through baptism. Through our lifetime we commit sins or neglect the Lord’s teachings. Through Christ’s sorrowful passion we are destined to go to heaven as He promised, but when we die we still have some sins on our soul, so we will go through a purification. Purgatory (a place where one’s sins are forgiven, purged; purified before believers can enter heaven. Read Cor 3:10-16, 1 Pet 1`:7, Matt 12:32
 
Do you really believe what you are saying here? That you have to go it alone? Nothing in life works that way. We need help and insight from others in virtually everything. Together, we are stronger, smarter and more experienced than alone. Don’t you go to experts for advice on most things? When you are sick, don’t you go to a doctor? If your house is on fire, don’t you call the fire department? If you have a sore tooth, don’t you visit a dentist? So too with religion. Setting aside a minute that the Church had direct access to Jesus and his teachings through the apostles, The Catholic church has had literally millions of theologians pondering the questions of life and salvation for the last 2000 years. It has credible answers to virtually any question you might answer. Don’t dismiss that as unhelpful. There are many people further along the spiritual journey than we are (the canonized saints chief among them). It only makes sense to tap into what they have learned. The fool learns only from his own mistakes. The wise man learns from the mistakes of others.
I speak perhaps from a more absolute sense. It’s not that other people are not helpful, it’s just that at some point you do always have to make decisions for yourself. This is ultimately a very personal journey, it’s about your relationship with God and truly no one else is going to mediate that for you. Of course, as students starting out on a journey we look to others for help, guidance, suggestions. It’s because we feel ignorant and out of touch with God, we feel alone and fairly helpless. So I don’t mean to say that other people are irrelevant, but it’s just that when it comes to making your own decision on choosing a path to follow to salvation, it’s a decision you do have to make on your own. You don’t just take someone else’s advice and assume it’s best. In matters like this, when it comes down to those most important decisions, you’re not going to be moved and guided by someone else, you’re going to be moved and guided by God, and God will speak to you directly, to your heart and to the very core of who you are, not through someone else’s words. So by all means we can seek the guidance and wisdom of others, it’s valuable always to a certain point. But eventually we do all have to take responsibility for our own salvation, or rather we put that responsibility in the hands of God and just give in to that.

I really do think the example of Jesus’s life is lost on many people. He directly contradicted the establishment, was ridiculed and persecuted. He died for the things that he said and the choices he made. I actually don’t believe that this all happened so that we would be saved from suffering a similar fate, I think it happened so as to serve as the ultimate example. If you choose to follow God with absolute integrity this is the kind of life you can expect. Christianity seems to assume that Jesus suffered through all of that so that we wouldn’t have to but it wasn’t God that persecuted and crucified him, it was other human beings. We can propose that his sacrifice has laid a path to salvation for us to follow, a new deal with God if you like, but what has changed in human beings since then that makes them less likely to persecute and attack a man of such substance? If Jesus lived again today, what has changed in this world that would prevent such a thing from happening again? Have we changed as people? Are we more tolerant, more forgiving, more in touch with God than we were when Jesus was alive? Do you really believe that?

This is why I say that, ultimately, in choosing a spiritual path to salvation, it’s not someone else’s decision to make for you. Yes, you have to go it alone. Not the whole journey, you don’t have to forge out into the wilderness and abandon the obviously good people that are still here, you can still ask questions, seek comfort and guidance, look to others for their example and their experience. But when it comes right down to it, to that decision of what you actually do to lead you to your own salvation, that final moment of decision will always unquestionably be yours. And you’d best make that decision with God in your heart, not just the words of someone else.
 
I think God wants everyone to be Christian and to accept His Son as Lord and Savior. Denominations shouldn’t matter.
Since that’s what you think then I cannot take any opinion as infallible truth. How would you be so sure that your opinion is correct and infallible?
 
You think I do know? You are respectfully wrong.

Yes, I am under pressure and weight thinking if I don’t join an organization I am “denying Jesus”, and condeming myself. That is stressful for someone.

As I said, I am looking to convet to Catholicism, but it’s not going to happen anytime soon.
And we all know that Our Blessed Lord Jesus Christ never stressed anyone out right. 🙂
 
KingJohn, after reading your posts and discovering that you are 12 years old or under, I would like to suggest that you make your parents aware of your conversations about Catholicism and spiritual matters. if you continue to follow Jesus with your whole heart, he will lead you into the Catholic Church. But at this point in your life, your journeying and your questions should include your parents since you are under their authority.
 
KingJohn, after reading your posts and discovering that you are 12 years old or under, I would like to suggest that you make your parents aware of your conversations about Catholicism and spiritual matters. if you continue to follow Jesus with your whole heart, he will lead you into the Catholic Church. But at this point in your life, your journeying and your questions should include your parents since you are under their authority.
They already know, they are the ones who wish to convert.
 
Great! Now I suggest you and your parents get your questions answered at places like this! Mathsit is time for RCIA!
 
By Divine Revelation (Sacred Scripture), I assume you mean the New Testament. There are many parts of the Old Testament that I find very disturbing to say the least.

This is a good point - but then we should merely say that this what scripture says about the topic, rather than claim that it is what God currently wants.

However, I am still afraid that you are tying/limiting God’s will to the words in the Bible - that there can never be an expansion or a new thought in God’s mind (saying maybe Catholic and Anglicans are preferable but others are not - remember there was no Anglican church at the time of the New Testament).

So God is now a prisoner of whatever He once said or we believe he said ?
This comes back to an understanding of the nature of God. He does not exist in time. God sees yesterday, today and tomorrow simultaneously. His truths are eternal and don’t change so you don’t have to worry about God changing his mind.
 
This comes back to an understanding of the nature of God. He does not exist in time. God sees yesterday, today and tomorrow simultaneously. His truths are eternal and don’t change so you don’t have to worry about God changing his mind.
You are right! God must have know about the Anglican Church (and all the other churches to come) 2000 years ago. Maybe he did not mention them and that he preferred some of the them at that time because it would have just confused us all?

So are you quite sure you know what he wants right now?

But again, you are right, once he has said something, we should not allow him to add anything further - he has no right to do that.
 
I speak perhaps from a more absolute sense. It’s not that other people are not helpful, it’s just that at some point you do always have to make decisions for yourself.
Yes. You are responsible for your own decisions.
This is ultimately a very personal journey, it’s about your relationship with God and truly no one else is going to mediate that for you.
This is not true, however. There are many people who can mediate for you. This is what the Catholic concept of the communion of Saints is all about - helping one another reach heaven. You can’t get to heaven on your own. It must involve other people because getting to heaven is about loving others - which in theological terms is doing things for them without expecting anything in return.
Of course, as students starting out on a journey we look to others for help, guidance, suggestions. It’s because we feel ignorant and out of touch with God, we feel alone and fairly helpless. So I don’t mean to say that other people are irrelevant, but it’s just that when it comes to making your own decision on choosing a path to follow to salvation, it’s a decision you do have to make on your own. You don’t just take someone else’s advice and assume it’s best. In matters like this, when it comes down to those most important decisions, you’re not going to be moved and guided by someone else, you’re going to be moved and guided by God, and God will speak to you directly, to your heart and to the very core of who you are, not through someone else’s words. So by all means we can seek the guidance and wisdom of others, it’s valuable always to a certain point. But eventually we do all have to take responsibility for our own salvation, or rather we put that responsibility in the hands of God and just give in to that.
Don’t dismiss the fact that God most often works through people. When Jesus resurrected from the dead, he did not appear to everyone - in fact, he appeared to about 500 people if you believe St. Paul and it was through those 500 witnesses that his message was spread - mostly through the efforts of the Apostles, who he commissioned for this task.
I really do think the example of Jesus’s life is lost on many people. He directly contradicted the establishment, was ridiculed and persecuted. He died for the things that he said and the choices he made. I actually don’t believe that this all happened so that we would be saved from suffering a similar fate, I think it happened so as to serve as the ultimate example. If you choose to follow God with absolute integrity this is the kind of life you can expect. Christianity seems to assume that Jesus suffered through all of that so that we wouldn’t have to but it wasn’t God that persecuted and crucified him, it was other human beings. We can propose that his sacrifice has laid a path to salvation for us to follow, a new deal with God if you like, but what has changed in human beings since then that makes them less likely to persecute and attack a man of such substance? If Jesus lived again today, what has changed in this world that would prevent such a thing from happening again? Have we changed as people? Are we more tolerant, more forgiving, more in touch with God than we were when Jesus was alive? Do you really believe that?
You are actually in agreement with Catholic teaching in this regard. Jesus did not die to keep us from suffering. He died to give meaning to our suffering. Life is a test to see whether we will chose to love others or simply serve ourselves. In everyone’s life there are good and bad things that happen to test us. When we are given good things, the test is to see how we use them and when bad things happen, the test is to see if we respond with love or anger and hatred. Jesus taught us how to love in even the cruelest situation and he commissioned a church to teach the truth about salvation and to administer the sacraments that give us the grace to live a life of love.
This is why I say that, ultimately, in choosing a spiritual path to salvation, it’s not someone else’s decision to make for you. Yes, you have to go it alone. Not the whole journey, you don’t have to forge out into the wilderness and abandon the obviously good people that are still here, you can still ask questions, seek comfort and guidance, look to others for their example and their experience. But when it comes right down to it, to that decision of what you actually do to lead you to your own salvation, that final moment of decision will always unquestionably be yours. And you’d best make that decision with God in your heart, not just the words of someone else.
Remember, salvation requires love of God and neighbor and love is the opposite of being self-centered. And yes, we have free will and the decision to follow God is our own. But that doesn’t mean that we can or should approach God alone. Indeed, He established His Church for the very purpose of leading people to Himself. If it wasn’t for the Church, we would all be left to pondering life’s truths by staring up at the sky like neanderthals. But as it is, God sent his son, Jesus Christ, and the old testament prophets before Him, to illuminate us and it is their direct teachings about the nature of God that the Church passes down today.
 
You are right! God must have know about the Anglican Church (and all the other churches to come) 2000 years ago. Maybe he did not mention them and that he preferred some of the them at that time because it would have just confused us all?
You do realize how the Anglican church started right? King Henry VIII wanted to divorce his wife because she had not born him an heir. This is against the teaching of Jesus so the pope would not allow it. Henry’s response was to break from the Catholic Church and create the Church of England with himself as the head. Does is irrefutable historical fact. Does this seem like something God would approve of?
So are you quite sure you know what he wants right now?
Sure, he told us to Love God with all our heart, mind, strength and soul and to love our neighbor as ourselves.
But again, you are right, once he has said something, we should not allow him to add anything further - he has no right to do that.
The eternal truths don’t change. What does change is our capacity and willingness to understand, accept and follow those truths.
 
By Divine Revelation (Sacred Scripture), I assume you mean the New Testament. There are many parts of the Old Testament that I find very disturbing to say the least.

This is a good point - but then we should merely say that this what scripture says about the topic, rather than claim that it is what God currently wants.

However, I am still afraid that you are tying/limiting God’s will to the words in the Bible - that there can never be an expansion or a new thought in God’s mind (saying maybe Catholic and Anglicans are preferable but others are not - remember there was no Anglican church at the time of the New Testament).

So God is now a prisoner of whatever He once said or we believe he said ?
Hello Openminded77,

Welcome to Catholic Answers Forum.

I see you are a trial member and a Hindu.

I have to admit, I know absolutely nothing about Hinduism. But it sounds quite different from Catholicism.

I’m sure all the discussion between Catholic Christians and Protestant Christians seems a bit confusing to you. And for that I am truly sorry!

In your comments, you mentioned that the Catholic Church has not been exactly exemplary in the past 2000 years, and, has God changed His mind.

First, don’t believe all the rhetoric you hear about the Catholic Church. Research it for yourself, and you will find that most of it is one sided and untrue… The rest has to do with sinful people, (as we all are), within the Catholic Church.

Second, as Catholics, we do not believe that God changes his mind… There are threads regarding this and other topics on Catholic Answers, check them out!

You also mentioned that a lot of the Old Testament was disturbing to you… Don’t be too disturbed, God is very patient with us.

Back in those days, things were a lot different. People had hardened hearts and had to be dealt with differently. They still had free will, but they needed to be readied for the New Testament…
Jesus Christ!

Jesus Himself refers to the hardened hearts of people in the Old Testament.

If I had to guess, this is why we have Protestant Christians today… hardened hearts!

He knew how sloppy and lazy we would become in our Faith. Coming up with notions like…
“Once saved always saved” or, “sola Scriptura”.

I guess it was better to give His lost sheep a wide birth, with the possibility of one day realizing that He wants us all to be in the One, Holy, catholic, and Apostolic church… The Catholic Church, than to lose them altogether!

Anyway… Welcome. And don’t get discouraged by Christian debate.

I don’t know if you know this… Jesus Christ promised that the gates of hell will not prevail against His church, and that He would be with Her till the end of age.

No other promise like that has ever been made, and no other institution has been on this earth as long as the Catholic Church!
Coincidence?.. I don’t think so!

God Bless,
Chez
 
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Why are you banging on about this? The answer has been given by several posters. If you clearly know that the Catholic Church is Christ’s true Church on Earth and still refuse to join then you are in effect choosing to turn your back on Christ. You are choosing to separate yourself from Christ. You are choosing to reject salvation. By doing this the Church is not condemning you, you are condemning yourself.

People who are ignorant of the fact and do not realise that the Catholic Church is Christ’s true Church on Earth are not necessarily condemned because mortal sin can only be committed with full knowledge. But to know and to still reject Christ is a mortal sin and mortal sin is a complete separation from God.

Salvation is not fuzzy-wuzzy concept where all are saved regardless. If you choose to knowingly turn your back on Christ you have chosen to turn your back on salvation. Why would you knowingly choose to do this? Why would anyone knowingly choose to do this?
Your Okay for a Britt!.. Just kidding!
Good post!.. “Banging on” huh! I like it.👍
 
Just as you call reformers “founders” as if they reinvented the wheel, they point to how the Catholic Church left it’s original mission and began “straying” from it’s founder.
Non-Catholic churches thought they had a better idea or wanted to worship more liberally and so over the years over 35,000+ other denominations “reinvented the wheel,” by “founding” their own brand of church. That is not to say that some Protestant religions are not following the precepts of the whole Bible. A few are.
The Catholic Church never left it’s original mission–people did. The mission remains the same–to lead people to Jesus Christ and live out Biblical Scripture in it’s purest sense.
Unfortunately, many Catholics and many Protestant’s make personal choices to think as they want to think and believe as they want to believe in order to fit Jesus in their own personal agenda.
It was the Catholic Church that accumulated the Biblical writings, translated the writings, studied the writings, and wrote (by hand) the first Bibles. Your NT came from the Catholic Church before it ever became the King James Bible.
The Catholic Church has the blood of martyrs who died for the preservation of Christianity and the Bible. The Catholic Church is built upon the foundation of Jesus Christ and is the main root of all Christian Churches.
 
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