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No. Gravity and all other fundamental forces and physical laws are manifestation of God’s power. God act and manifest through laws which we call gravity or magnetic etc. There is no force except power of God.
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LogisticsBranch
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I doubt it! Sounds kakamamie to me.
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hasantas
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What is wrong? The manifesting is in order so we can measure or observe and name it. Our measuring and observing is called science or physics. I am a physicist and the sub-atom molecule which supposed to carry gravity is not detected yet. It is supposed that the sub-atom molecules carry forces but advanced invention may refute that in future.
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I’ve never heard a physicist use the term ‘sub atom molecule’ before. Maybe there’s something missing in translation…
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hasantas
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My English is poor. (Sub-atomic particles)
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Micosil
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I know this thread is almost three years old by now, but I couldn’t help but notice this comment. I’ve noticed this line of thinking is fairly predominant in Islam, the idea of a God that personally tinkers with His creation continually and continuously through the laws of nature. It also seems to be accepted by many Protestants; it seems to be one of the reasons Intelligent Design seems to have taken off as a thing in America, the way I see it.
Thing is, Thomism (atleast neo-Thomism) seems to disagree sternly with such a view:
catholic.com/magazine/articles/aquinas-vs-intelligent-design
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Faith is not emerged just through natural laws. If someone just focus on material then the light of faith cannot shine in heart. Faith is not an issue of physics or science. Matter is a mirror for light of faith to come into view. Mirror has not light inside itself but it can has image by light.I know this thread is almost three years old by now, but I couldn’t help but notice this comment. I’ve noticed this line of thinking is fairly predominant in Islam, the idea of a God that personally tinkers with His creation continually and continuously through the laws of nature. It also seems to be accepted by many Protestants; it seems to be one of the reasons Intelligent Design seems to have taken off as a thing in America, the way I see it.
Thing is, Thomism (atleast neo-Thomism) seems to disagree sternly with such a view:
catholic.com/magazine/articles/aquinas-vs-intelligent-design
So universe and matter are mirrors for light of faith. God is not into matter but God manifest through matter. Then what are lights of faith into matter? Just some:
The art which is exist and look into universe is light of faith. Because the forces which are applicable in universe has no abillity of art and conscious and mind and wisdom etc. But there is a miraculous art in universe. Then there should be artisan of that art and God is.
The beauty which is exist and seems is light of faith. Just look at stars and flowers! There is no any cause or force which have comprehension of beauty. The causes and laws are very hard so they cannot establish such beauty in universe. That beauty in universe point God.
There is wonderful order in universe. Everything run through laws. But laws themselves have no conscious and mind and wisdom to follow that order. Indeed the physical existence of that laws are not certain which is topic of that thread.
The life which shines on mirrors of alives is very certain light of faith. The source of life cannot bu unconscious and dead and blind energy or force. There is no life in any kind of energy or cosmic wave. Energy or body or ATP are means for light of life. Non of those means have life but they are just mirrors for shine of life.
There are more lights of faith…for whom if want to see.
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Aloysium
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Going through the previous posts of this necro’d thread I find myself missing Linus.I know this thread is almost three years old by now, but I couldn’t help but notice this comment. I’ve noticed this line of thinking is fairly predominant in Islam, the idea of a God that personally tinkers with His creation continually and continuously through the laws of nature. It also seems to be accepted by many Protestants; it seems to be one of the reasons Intelligent Design seems to have taken off as a thing in America, the way I see it.
Thing is, Thomism (atleast neo-Thomism) seems to disagree sternly with such a view:
catholic.com/magazine/articles/aquinas-vs-intelligent-design
I think it is a universally held notion by some people in every religion that God as Existence itself brings into being all creation in all time. I haven’t read the link. No time. As to your other comment, God is more than an Intelligent designer; He is Loving Father, obedient Son and the Spirit that unites them. God as the Font and Ground of all that is, clearly moves the universe, which includes us as self-determined beings.
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I hope everyone will read what I wrote on the previous page about LIGO! 
Kavli Foundation also has two great articles:
Here is a snippet from each article:
Why are gravitational waves important for science?
“Virtually all of our knowledge about the universe has come to us in the form of light, or electromagnetic radiation. Gravitational waves, however, are an entirely different form of radiation, produced by some of the most violent events in the universe. The study of gravitational waves will offer a new window into the explosions of titanic stars and events, such as the collisions of black holes, which may not produce significant electromagnetic radiation. Gravitational waves should even be able to let scientists see all the way back to the origin of the universe itself in the Big Bang.”
kavlifoundation.org/laser-interferometer-gravitational-wave-observatory-ligo
Here is an excerpt from 02/11/2016 - Scientists Make First Direct Detection of Gravitational Waves
“As for this new gravitational signal, Weiss, who first came up with the rudimentary design for LIGO in the 1970s as part of an experimental exercise for one of his MIT courses, sees the tiny detection as a massive payoff.
“This is the first real evidence that we’ve seen now of high-gravitational field strengths: monstrous things like stars, moving at the velocity of light, smashing into each other and making the geometry of space-time turn into some sort of washing machine,” Weiss says. “And this horrendously strong thing made a very tiny effect in our apparatus, a relative motion of 10 to the minus 18 meters between the mirrors in the interferometer arms. It’s sort of unbelievable to think about.”
This research was funded by the National Science Foundation.”
kavlifoundation.org/kavli-news/scientists-make-first-direct-detection-gravitational-waves#.Vs08pX0rK6Y
Aloysium said:
"*Going through the previous posts of this necro’d thread I find myself missing Linus.
I think it is a universally held notion by some people in every religion that God as Existence itself brings into being all creation in all time. I haven’t read the link. No time. As to your other comment, God is more than an Intelligent designer; He is Loving Father, obedient Son and the Spirit that unites them. God as the Font and Ground of all that is, clearly moves the universe, which includes us as self-determined beings*."
Not one person on this topic except for Linus, hasantas and yourself have put God into this topic! There are far more people on this topic interested in SCIENCE! I happen to especially agree with Micosil’s comment to an extent. What she said was “one” of the reasons. There are plenty more reasons behind “unscientific” intelligent design. This topic is about SCIENCE until a a few folks showed up. Furthermore, we have a very large black hole in “our” galaxy that is pulling stars into it. It may eventually pull our planet into it! Also, look what I highlighted in red!
I personally as a Roman Catholic think God is love not a destroyer! This is why I don’t put God in science related topics. I’m not an intelligent design advocate. Thank you.
Kavli Foundation also has two great articles:
Here is a snippet from each article:
Why are gravitational waves important for science?
“Virtually all of our knowledge about the universe has come to us in the form of light, or electromagnetic radiation. Gravitational waves, however, are an entirely different form of radiation, produced by some of the most violent events in the universe. The study of gravitational waves will offer a new window into the explosions of titanic stars and events, such as the collisions of black holes, which may not produce significant electromagnetic radiation. Gravitational waves should even be able to let scientists see all the way back to the origin of the universe itself in the Big Bang.”
kavlifoundation.org/laser-interferometer-gravitational-wave-observatory-ligo
Here is an excerpt from 02/11/2016 - Scientists Make First Direct Detection of Gravitational Waves
“As for this new gravitational signal, Weiss, who first came up with the rudimentary design for LIGO in the 1970s as part of an experimental exercise for one of his MIT courses, sees the tiny detection as a massive payoff.
“This is the first real evidence that we’ve seen now of high-gravitational field strengths: monstrous things like stars, moving at the velocity of light, smashing into each other and making the geometry of space-time turn into some sort of washing machine,” Weiss says. “And this horrendously strong thing made a very tiny effect in our apparatus, a relative motion of 10 to the minus 18 meters between the mirrors in the interferometer arms. It’s sort of unbelievable to think about.”
This research was funded by the National Science Foundation.”
kavlifoundation.org/kavli-news/scientists-make-first-direct-detection-gravitational-waves#.Vs08pX0rK6Y
Aloysium said:
"*Going through the previous posts of this necro’d thread I find myself missing Linus.
I think it is a universally held notion by some people in every religion that God as Existence itself brings into being all creation in all time. I haven’t read the link. No time. As to your other comment, God is more than an Intelligent designer; He is Loving Father, obedient Son and the Spirit that unites them. God as the Font and Ground of all that is, clearly moves the universe, which includes us as self-determined beings*."
Not one person on this topic except for Linus, hasantas and yourself have put God into this topic! There are far more people on this topic interested in SCIENCE! I happen to especially agree with Micosil’s comment to an extent. What she said was “one” of the reasons. There are plenty more reasons behind “unscientific” intelligent design. This topic is about SCIENCE until a a few folks showed up. Furthermore, we have a very large black hole in “our” galaxy that is pulling stars into it. It may eventually pull our planet into it! Also, look what I highlighted in red!
I personally as a Roman Catholic think God is love not a destroyer! This is why I don’t put God in science related topics. I’m not an intelligent design advocate. Thank you.
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hasantas
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All sciences explain God because all sciences are manifestation of God. You say God is not destroyer so God do not effect or destroy anything but when you say that you take God out of universe. God is not merely love but also God is omnipower and omniscience and eternal wisdom etc. God did not resign from universe and such thought help materialism. This is not scientific forum but philosophy!I hope everyone will read what I wrote on the previous page about LIGO!
Kavli Foundation also has two great articles:
Here is a snippet from each article:
Why are gravitational waves important for science?
“Virtually all of our knowledge about the universe has come to us in the form of light, or electromagnetic radiation. Gravitational waves, however, are an entirely different form of radiation, produced by some of the most violent events in the universe. The study of gravitational waves will offer a new window into the explosions of titanic stars and events, such as the collisions of black holes, which may not produce significant electromagnetic radiation. Gravitational waves should even be able to let scientists see all the way back to the origin of the universe itself in the Big Bang.”
kavlifoundation.org/laser-interferometer-gravitational-wave-observatory-ligo
Here is an excerpt from 02/11/2016 - Scientists Make First Direct Detection of Gravitational Waves
“As for this new gravitational signal, Weiss, who first came up with the rudimentary design for LIGO in the 1970s as part of an experimental exercise for one of his MIT courses, sees the tiny detection as a massive payoff.
“This is the first real evidence that we’ve seen now of high-gravitational field strengths: monstrous things like stars, moving at the velocity of light, smashing into each other and making the geometry of space-time turn into some sort of washing machine,” Weiss says. “And this horrendously strong thing made a very tiny effect in our apparatus, a relative motion of 10 to the minus 18 meters between the mirrors in the interferometer arms. It’s sort of unbelievable to think about.”
This research was funded by the National Science Foundation.”
kavlifoundation.org/kavli-news/scientists-make-first-direct-detection-gravitational-waves#.Vs08pX0rK6Y
Aloysium said:
"*Going through the previous posts of this necro’d thread I find myself missing Linus.
I think it is a universally held notion by some people in every religion that God as Existence itself brings into being all creation in all time. I haven’t read the link. No time. As to your other comment, God is more than an Intelligent designer; He is Loving Father, obedient Son and the Spirit that unites them. God as the Font and Ground of all that is, clearly moves the universe, which includes us as self-determined beings*."
Not one person on this topic except for Linus, hasantas and yourself have put God into this topic! There are far more people on this topic interested in SCIENCE! I happen to especially agree with Micosil’s comment to an extent. What she said was “one” of the reasons. There are plenty more reasons behind “unscientific” intelligent design. This topic is about SCIENCE until a a few folks showed up. Furthermore, we have a very large black hole in “our” galaxy that is pulling stars into it. It may eventually pull our planet into it! Also, look what I highlighted in red!
I personally as a Roman Catholic think God is love not a destroyer! This is why I don’t put God in science related topics. I’m not an intelligent design advocate. Thank you.
God will destroy this universe and transform it into life to come and that will be very nice. God give dead and take souls by angels. And God will give another endless life. God destroy spring but God give another beautiful spring.
If God were only love then God would not sacrifice any one, right?
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This is a Catholic Forum, so you should expect to have God mentioned in any discussion.
I’m not sure what you mean by God as a destroyer.
I wouldn’t worry about our planet falling into a black hole.
I’m not an intelligent design advocate either.
The universe, as is its Source, is relational in nature. The primary relationship of everything is with God, who as Father, through His Word and by means of the Holy Spirit, brings all creation into existence, as a manifestation of His glory, existing within the infinite ocean of His compassion. We ourselves exist in relation to everything else and to God. This is what enables us to imagine and to search for gravity waves. The size of the universe, its power, the variety of mysteries, all contribute to our knowledge of its Creator who right here and now, is the eternal Wellspring of its being.
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To say God will destroy the universe, seems to assume God did not build what He desired.
God not being subject to the limitations of time would mean He does not create drafts.
He creates only complete, final products.
Thus, in creating, He makes what he desires.
Not sure how that ties into gravity having mass, but, not having read the whole thread, I’m guessing it’s veered a bit.
Take care,
Mike
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