Does Islam worship a "false god" or the same god differently?

[scipio337]

Why is it that Catholics always appeal to the Magisterium when discussing their beliefs…yet on this issue…it seems that many disregard what their own church actually teaches and have their own beliefs…isn’t that “cafeteria Catholicsm”?

Because it doesn’t have an impact on our own salvation? Why does a Friend care?

 

[MartinJordan]

Historical records show that the Ka’aba was built in the 4th century AD.

Love to have the link of this

Doubt thedailymail would report such thing…if you know what I mean

MJ

 

[jakasaki]

Love to have the link of this

Doubt thedailymail would report such thing…if you know what I mean

MJ

Certainly Martin:

I’ll link

 

[jakasaki]

Love to have the link of this

Doubt thedailymail would report such thing…if you know what I mean

MJ

Unfortunately there is no historical or archaeological evidence, that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century A.D., when immigrants from Yemen settled the area, and built their Kaaba in the early 5th century A.D.

historyofmecca.com/

The link to the Ka’aba is in that site

 

[meltzerboy]

The official position of the RCC is the same as our view on Judaism. They both worship the same God as us, but imperfectly

That is correct, regarding the official position of the RCC and the CCC. However, I disagree about the “imperfectly” part!

 

[ellzeena]

Yes, they worship the same God. As pointed out, Vatican Ii clearly states that.

I think an easier way to think of it is this way…you and I both know of a man named Harry. The difference is that my knowledge of Harry comes from someone who actually really knows and is close to Harry (maybe its his wife, whom he loves very dearly). This mutual friend has passed on a very accurate picture of who Harry is.

You heard about Harry from someone who only met him once, and maybe it wasn’t under good circumstances (he was involved in a fender bender). This individual passed on a very different picture of Harry to you.

Do we both know the same Harry? Yes. It’s the same person. But we have very different understandings of who Harry is. One of them is true and accurate and one is incomplete, possibly false, and definitely inaccurate.

; Wow I think this is a wonderful analogy!

 

[meltzerboy]

I disagree. I know the position of the Church, but during my studies of Jewish culture and of Islam, I find that there are 99 “names” of Allah, which are more attributes. Ar-Raḥmān, “the compassionate”, Ar-Raḥīm, “the merciful”, etc.

In Judaism, things are quite different. A name is not merely an arbitrary designation, a random combination of sounds. The name conveys the nature and essence of the thing named. It represents the history and reputation of the being named.

This is not as strange or unfamiliar a concept as it may seem at first glance. In English, we often refer to reputation as his “good name.” When a company is sold, one thing that may be sold is the company’s “good will,” that is, the right to use the company’s name. The Hebrew concept of a name is very similar to these ideas.

The primary Hebrew name for God follows this example, “YHWH”, (I am, to be), , the similar Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh (I am that I am).

Nearly all other names or “attributes” of God are used in place of these holy names, as writing, or even speaking them are forbidden, to protect them from defamation. See “Adonai” (Lord), “Ha Shem” (the name), “Adoshem” (a combination of the two), etc.

There is also a very different relationship between man and God in both. That, and the several descriptions of Allah as a “schemer” of “decieving” in the Quran lead me to believe them to be entirely different. It may be that Muhammed borrowed what he knew about Judaism and Christianity to Islam, and the Arab culture then gave it a very different bent.

Good analysis about the meaning of “name” in Judaism. I would add that Judaism prefers to describe G-d in terms of who He is not rather than who He is since the latter is virtually impossible to define. With regard to Islam, I doubt G-d (Allah) is really thought of as a ‘schemer’ or given to deception.

 

[meltzerboy]

Because it doesn’t have an impact on our own salvation? Why does a Friend care?

Perhaps because he is a Friend.

 

[R_C]

It seems to me that some say they worship a “false god” in order to justify a lot more anti-myslim sentiment. Of course, I guess I’m a liberal apostate because I think anybody who worships any god worships the one god the best way they know how…

Well, since there is only one God, everyone ultimately worships Him Some however do not know Him and thus “worship what they do not know”. Others are deceived into worshipping false deities but ultimately seek the One True God.

As far as Islam goes, they do worship the One True God, and the Church that cannot err on matters of faith acknowledges this. How they do this and how they know Him is a different story. But we, the Muslim, and the Hebrew do worship the same God.

 

[catanswer]

According to Vatican II they worship the true God, I don’t pretend to understand how exactly, but I do know that they don’t have the fullness of Revelation as otherwise they would be part of Christ’s visible Church and Worship God as Father,Son, and Holy Spirit.

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[rafarose]

Well, since there is only one God, everyone ultimately worships Him Some however do not know Him and thus “worship what they do not know”. Others are deceived into worshipping false deities but ultimately seek the One True God.

As far as Islam goes, they do worship the One True God, and the Church that cannot err on matters of faith acknowledges this. How they do this and how they know Him is a different story. But we, the Muslim, and the Hebrew do worship the same God.

I don’t understand how though, the Muslim God in the Quran does not acknowledge Jesus’ divinity nor resurrection. The God the Jews believe in does not reject Jesus’ divinity, it is the Jews who reject Jesus’ divinity.
Can someone please explain?
How can the Muslim God be the exact same Christian God? I understand what the Church says on it, that Muslims are ultimately *seeking *the one true God, but do we reconcile two contrasting ideas?
If someone can explain this I will be forever grateful

 

[Theophorus]

Why is it that Catholics always appeal to the Magisterium when discussing their beliefs…yet on this issue…it seems that many disregard what their own church actually teaches and have their own beliefs…isn’t that “cafeteria Catholicsm”?

Last time I checked Vatican II, and Nostrae Aetate were still part of the Church’s Magisterium. There are many things that the Church does not have an official position on. That we sometimes speculate beyond that given or when we don’t know the church’s official position is not necessarily ‘cafeteria catholicism’ sometimes is is and sometimes it isn’t.

 

[Theophorus]

That is correct, regarding the official position of the RCC and the CCC. However, I disagree about the “imperfectly” part!

I’m curious now. What is the official position in Judaism(I understand there are different groups within Judaism but in general) on the God as worshipped in Christianity? Do we worship the same God as the Jewish people?

My understanding(and I’m open to correction) is that according to Judaism we Christians are up there with polytheists, maybe idolators at a push which of course is a tad worse than worshipping God imperfectly.

 

[meltzerboy]

I’m curious now. What is the official position in Judaism(I understand there are different groups within Judaism but in general) on the God as worshipped in Christianity? Do we worship the same God as the Jewish people?

My understanding(and I’m open to correction) is that according to Judaism we Christians are up there with polytheists, maybe idolators at a push which of course is a tad worse than worshipping God imperfectly.

It used to be the case that Orthodox Jews as a whole–not all, NEVER all within any stream of Judaism–thought of Christians, whichever denomination but perhaps even more so Catholics because of the statues and saints, as idolaters. But all that has changed for some time within most Orthodox communities (lucky for you!) so that nowadays you are not considered such. Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism have always been more tolerant and understanding of such things. Disclaimer: I cannot speak for any individual Jew and his or her opinions on this, or any other, issue.

 

[Publisher]

Perhaps because he is a Friend.

Thank you friend…couldn’t have said it better.

 

[R_C]

I don’t understand how though, the Muslim God in the Quran does not acknowledge Jesus’ divinity nor resurrection. The God the Jews believe in does not reject Jesus’ divinity, it is the Jews who reject Jesus’ divinity.
Can someone please explain?
How can the Muslim God be the exact same Christian God? I understand what the Church says on it, that Muslims are ultimately *seeking *the one true God, but do we reconcile two contrasting ideas?
If someone can explain this I will be forever grateful

It’s quite simple They pray to the God of Abraham and Isaac. So do the Hebrew. So do we.

However, we have received the word of the Son of God, who revealed us that the One True God is One Nature in Three Divine Persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Thus we claim to have the fullness of the divine revelation, or the spirit of truth that the world cannot receive.

That does not mean that we worship a different God, nor that they worship a different God. He simply revealed Himself to us more fully. They simply affirm that what we have received is not true. Still they address God in their prayers.

Look at it this way: if I am an old friend and I come to you after many decades and you don’t recognize me and insist on keep talking to me over the phone, you are still talking to me, but perhaps you don’t know me as much as the friends that recognize me and speak to me face to face. But you are still talking to me over the phone. It’s kind of simple-minded reduction, but I hope it makes sense. Other religions simply don’t address the living God of Abraham and Isaac, they address other deities. All that is good in their religion comes from God and leads towards God and the Gospel, but they are not addressing the One True God.

To go beyond this would be “politically incorrect” and probably not allowed on the forum. We would have to go over the Sacred Scriptures of each religion, and how they came to be, for example. For a Catholic all we need to do is hold on to the teaching we have received:

Jews, Christians and Muslims alike believe in one God, the Creator of all men and women. (Apostolic Exhortation Ecclesia in Medio Oriente)

The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting. (Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions Nostra Aetate)

the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind (Dogmatic Constitution Lumen Gentium)

 

[drac16]

From what I understand of Catholicism, it’s a strictly trinitarian faith, where as Islam is strictly unitarian. Catholics believe that God is three persons [Father, Son and Holy Spirit], while muslims believe that God is a single person. There’s no question that we worship different gods-- don’t listen to liberals that contend otherwise.

I suppose it’s possible that some unitarian christians worship the same god as us muslims, but catholics are not unitarians, as far as I know.

 

[jakasaki]

From what I understand of Catholicism, it’s a strictly trinitarian faith, where as Islam is strictly unitarian. Catholics believe that God is three persons [Father, Son and Holy Spirit], while muslims believe that God is a single person. There’s no question that we worship different gods-- don’t listen to liberals that contend otherwise.

I suppose it’s possible that some unitarian christians worship the same god as us muslims, but catholics are not unitarians, as far as I know.

Interesting!

Well then, you should be a unitarian Christian

 

[Euphon]

From what I understand of Catholicism, it’s a strictly trinitarian faith, where as Islam is strictly unitarian. Catholics believe that God is three persons [Father, Son and Holy Spirit], while muslims believe that God is a single person. There’s no question that we worship different gods-- don’t listen to liberals that contend otherwise.

Liberals like Pope Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II, you mean?

 

[drac16]

Liberals like Pope Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II, you mean?

I don’t know much about church history, but if those two men taught that trinitarian christians and muslims worship the same god, then yes.