Does Islam worship a "false god" or the same god differently?

[Mount_Carmel]

mek42 - try Googling ‘The Great Pilgrimage of Islam’ to get a learned essay complete with academic references. Very readable.

 

[mek42]

mek42 - try Googling ‘The Great Pilgrimage of Islam’ to get a learned essay complete with academic references. Very readable.

I looked through the site that came up in this search. From what I read, it seems like the same logic of the authors could be used to say that the RCC God is really Jupiter because that is what the Romans used to worship.

 

[famdigy]

The Muslims us two worship many gods. Then Muhammad came around he made the moon god Allah the main god. Allah to Catholics and Christians is just an other idol which is falsely praised. However we should respect others beliefs but tell them the truth as well

well first of all It was the pagan arabs who worshiped many gods. Not the muslims.

second, I would suggest you find one of the 15 million or so Arab christians who worship God and call him “Allah” and try telling them they’re actually worshiping a moon god.

The moon god idea is a racist and very ignorant concept.

 

[vgskipp]

The word Allah means one god who can neither be male nor female and cannot be made multiple… . for what it is worth.

If a person goes into a Gideon Bible and sees the translations of John 3:16, the word Allah is used for God.

Yes they worship the same God, they just have a different understanding of him. The thing I found particularly fascinating about Islam was two things, both of which caused me to leave it:

1. The history of the collecting of the Qur’an into written form is sketchy
2. the understanding of the term messiah is very skewed.

Another thing which might be intriguing is some of the story as to the understanding of Jesus goes back an infancy gospel that was not included in the canonized Bible.

 

[rinnie]

well first of all It was the pagan arabs who worshiped many gods. Not the muslims.

second, I would suggest you find one of the 15 million or so Arab christians who worship God and call him “Allah” and try telling them they’re actually worshiping a moon god.

The moon god idea is a racist and very ignorant concept.

I totally agree, The only way anyone could say that Muslims worship a false God, the God Almighty Creator of heaven and earth, the same God as Abraham, is to simply say the God of Abraham is a false god.

So everyone out here who disagree with the Catholic teaching that we indeed worship the same God, are saying the God of Abraham is false.

You cannot have it both ways.

Either Abraham worshipped the One true God the same as us, or Abraham worshipped a false god also.

 

[ThatOrthodoxGuy]

:console:
(Matthew 7:15-17):
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit."

Amen! People always need to be careful!

 

[DaveBj]

I totally agree, The only way anyone could say that Muslims worship a false God, the God Almighty Creator of heaven and earth, the same God as Abraham, is to simply say the God of Abraham is a false god.

So everyone out here who disagree with the Catholic teaching that we indeed worship the same God, are saying the God of Abraham is false.

You cannot have it both ways.

Either Abraham worshipped the One true God the same as us, or Abraham worshipped a false god also.

There is a third alternative – that they believe that they are worshiping the God of Abraham, but that their prophet and, by extension, they have been deceived, and in fact they are worshiping a demon.

 

[concretecamper]

rinnie:

Quote:

Originally Posted by famdigy

well first of all It was the pagan arabs who worshiped many gods. Not the muslims.

second, I would suggest you find one of the 15 million or so Arab christians who worship God and call him “Allah” and try telling them they’re actually worshiping a moon god.

The moon god idea is a racist and very ignorant concept.

I totally agree, The only way anyone could say that Muslims worship a false God, the God Almighty Creator of heaven and earth, the same God as Abraham, is to simply say the God of Abraham is a false god.

So everyone out here who disagree with the Catholic teaching that we indeed worship the same God, are saying the God of Abraham is false.

You cannot have it both ways.

Either Abraham worshipped the One true God the same as us, or Abraham worshipped a false god also.

You are correct. impossible to have it both ways. You cannot worship the Father without worshiping the Son. Soooooo…do Muslims worship the Son? If not, they cannot have it both ways.

And please do not incorrectly state Catholic teaching.

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[Cojuanco]

But the Jews do not worship the Son, yet they do not worship a false god. Or are you suggesting the Jews worship a demon?

 

[vgskipp]

Very interesting point on the Jewish thing. I would be intrigued to see any explanation on that. I still think the history of the collecting of the written form of the Qur’an is an interesting angle. One of the major tenets of Islam is that the Qur’an is perfect, without imperfection, if it is imperfect or has been altered… in the Arabic… the concept of Islam falls apart leaving room for more.

Also as Islam believes that Jesus was the messiah then the qualifications for one being a messiah has to be called into account.

 

[rinnie]

There is a third alternative – that they believe that they are worshiping the God of Abraham, but that their prophet and, by extension, they have been deceived, and in fact they are worshiping a demon.

How does a false prophet make the one true God false.

So then when some Protestant faiths deny Christ in the Eucharist false, false teaching do you not agree? Make the God they pray to false?

 

[rinnie]

You are correct. impossible to have it both ways. You cannot worship the Father without worshiping the Son. Soooooo…do Muslims worship the Son? If not, they cannot have it both ways.

And please do not incorrectly state Catholic teaching.

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Then please by all means correct me. Show me where my quoting the CCC incorrectly state Catholic teaching.

 

[rinnie]

But the Jews do not worship the Son, yet they do not worship a false god. Or are you suggesting the Jews worship a demon?

I have asked this thousands of times. Never got a response.

 

[rinnie]

Very interesting point on the Jewish thing. I would be intrigued to see any explanation on that. I still think the history of the collecting of the written form of the Qur’an is an interesting angle. One of the major tenets of Islam is that the Qur’an is perfect, without imperfection, if it is imperfect or has been altered… in the Arabic… the concept of Islam falls apart leaving room for more.

Also as Islam believes that Jesus was the messiah then the qualifications for one being a messiah has to be called into account.

What in the world does this have to do with then praying and worshiping a false god? Please get with the program.

Rather or not they are misled with a false prophet or not, false teaching or not, still by no means warrents them praying to a false god who is indeed the same God prayed to every single day in the Roman Catholic Church.

The One Father Almighty Creator or heaven and earth the God of our Father Abraham.

Please, Please, show me where following a teaching of a false prophet warrants a false god.

 

[rinnie]

There is a third alternative – that they believe that they are worshiping the God of Abraham, but that their prophet and, by extension, they have been deceived, and in fact they are worshiping a demon.

Oh okay then when I pray to God the Father Almighty the God of Abraham, I am not praying to God the Father Almighty the God of Abraham I just think I am?

 

[vgskipp]

What in the world does this have to do with then praying and worshiping a false god? Please get with the program.

Rather or not they are misled with a false prophet or not, false teaching or not, still by no means warrents them praying to a false god who is indeed the same God prayed to every single day in the Roman Catholic Church.

The One Father Almighty Creator or heaven and earth the God of our Father Abraham.

Please, Please, show me where following a teaching of a false prophet warrants a false god.

My apologies I forget sometimes that people need to be slowly moved into something. So let me try again. …

I agree that Muslims do not worship a false God and the point about Jews not believing Jesus as the Messiah is a very interesting point that I myself have thought about. I think that rather than attacking the word, Allah, it might be better to look at other things in Islam to bring Muslims to Christianity. A few things that I think might be good to look at are:

1. the history behind the collecting and putting together of the Qur’an, as it is very skewed
2. the qualifications for messiah as both Islam and Christianity agree that Jesus was the messiah, the only difference seems to be in what constitutes messiah.

Although, if you like Rinnie I could try to argue with you despite my already agreeing in a previous post to this one where I explain that if an individual looks in the KJV Bible, in the front (Gideon version) John 3:16 is written in several languages…if an individual were to look at the Arabic version of John 3:16 they would see the word Allah thus showing that it is an acceptable word for Christian Arabs to use and is used by missionaries trying to reach non-Christian Arabs.

I hope my transition was thorough enough this time.

p.s.
perhaps decaff should be a thought?

 

[DaveBj]

Oh okay then when I pray to God the Father Almighty the God of Abraham, I am not praying to God the Father Almighty the God of Abraham I just think I am?

How does a false prophet make the one true God false.

The answer to this is very simple. The false prophet presents a false God to his listeners and tells them that this deity is the God of Abraham. Just because Muhammad said that Allah is the God of Abraham doesn’t mean that he is. I personally believe that Muhammad was deceived by a demon, and that he, in turn, deceived his people. This has happened many times over the course of the history of religions; why is it so difficult to believe that it could have happened here?

So then when some Protestant faiths deny Christ in the Eucharist false, false teaching do you not agree? Make the God they pray to false?

If you want to discuss Protestants and the Eucharist, start a new thread. This thread is about Muhammad, Allah, and Islam.

 

[mek42]

If the Jews are worshipping a false God, does that mean Jesus did?

 

[mayogirl25]

As long as they worship a loving, merciful and just God, they are not worshiping a misrepresentation of God.

Here are some misrepresentations of God - God is jealous, God is angry, God is violent (that he kills innocent people), God orders massacres, God is unforgiving, God condemns babies/children to eternal damnation in hell

God is good. God does not condone killing of innocent people in the name of religion. Islam as practiced by many Muslims does not condone all the terrible atrocities committed in the name of Islam. Where does all this hatred come from with all the killing? Only Muslims do this so why?

 

[mayogirl25]

If the Jews are worshipping a false God, does that mean Jesus did?

The Jews are worshipping the same God as Christians (and Muslims also) but the Jews do not recognize Jesus as more than a holy man. They don’t believe in the Trinity. They are still awaiting the Messiah.