Does Islam worship the same God?

[Angelos]

**TomaszA, No, no. Many Jews were living in Madinah. Even the prophet took some loan from a Jew and could not pay back in time. that Jew demanded his money and used some very bad words to the prophet. Umar was there. He beacme angry and wanted to punish that Jew.

But the prophet stopped Umar and told him that he (prophet) was at fault. So nothing should be said to the lender. In the meantime some one came around who paid the money.

Mny Jews who were being persecuted by the christians, they (Jews) took refuge in the Muslim country. Same happened in Spain also. The Jews were not disturbed at all.**

Planten and his lies & fantasies. The soap opera of this millenium

 

[choosechrist]

Choosechrist, I must tell you that planten is an old man who has difficulty understanding and remembering our posts/answers. He mostly copies and pastes his frozen arguments over and over no matter how many times we rebut his childish and absurd allegations lacking proof and reference.

For instance, we have explained to him what apostle Paul means when he designates the Mosaic Law as a curse. Dear planten ignores that multitude of responses from different posters and keeps imitating the broken record. Consequently, his repetitive absurdities turn into a CURSE for this forum.

While dealing with old planten, plese keep the following facts in your mind:

1. Planten is not an orthodox Muslim, but the member of a heretical movement named Ahmadiyya. This is why most of his arguments are not supported by other Muslim posters here (he has a different version of the Koran!)
2. Planten knows nothing about the Bible. He simply repeats what he hears from anti-Christian Islamic websites or scholars.
3. Planten is an expert on irrelevance.
4. Planten sometimes loses his temper and openly curses Jesus by calling Him a liar whenever some posters here criticise Mohammad’s character. However, sometimes he says he likes and praises Jesus. His belief in Jesus depends not on his religion, but on the way non-Muslims view Mohammad.
5. Planten mostly contradicts himself by denying in his seond sentence what he said in the first.

This is our dear planten, who is generally the fun of this forum. We respect him because of his old age and weak memory. Please pray for him.

Peace,
Angelos.

Thanks for the advice, I’ve noticed that people who accept the Quran without questioning its validity, cannot understand what others are saying about it without getting abusive. to give you an example, we all know that Jesus was referring to the Person of the Holy Spirit when he said He will send us the Councellor, but I had a muslim friend who said that the Holy Spirit was Mohamed! So, you see its best not to argue with such people. We can only pray that God for whom all things are possible will open their eyes and show them how He has sent us His only Beloved Son. We can talk and discuss but only God can open a heart to accept Him.

 

[TomaszA]

**TomaszA, No, no. Many Jews were living in Madinah. Even the prophet took some loan from a Jew and could not pay back in time. that Jew demanded his money and used some very bad words to the prophet. Umar was there. He beacme angry and wanted to punish that Jew.
**

I know that when Muhammad and his followers migrated to Yathrib there was a relatively large Jewish presence, if we take the sources to be accurate. But after Muhammad secured most of the Hijaaz for Islam, him and his successors through out Christians and Jews, is this not correct?

 

[ralphinal]

**Because Sarah said Ishmael will not inherit with my son Issac. We do not believe that at all. But there is no way toback out because it is written in the bible OT.

There was no problem of vast land. Spiritual inheritance could not be stopped because it was with Abraham. So Abraham, under divine guidance, settled his son Ishmael in a veryfar deserted land in Paran. No one could be interested in that part of land and no king or his cronies would disturb the last prophet (Muhammad) who was to appear in that area.

Abraham had lot of trouble with the king in Iraq. Moses had much trouble with Pharoah. Jesus was arrested with the help of the Roman soldiers. No such thing happened in the case of Muhammad. Muhammad was able to establish the will of God on earth. All praise is to Allah.**

How long did it take them to cover 1000 miles in those days? In a car today, with a flat road, at 50 miles an hour, it would take 20 hours.

The story in the Bible does not seem like a trip that took weeks.

 

[cathopologist]

FYI: Mecca and Medina can’t even entered by non-Muslims.
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/img/hway-2-mecca-muslims-only.jpg

That’s strange. I thought Muslims loved the Jews and they had the best treatment when Jerusalem was ruled by Muslims? I also thought the Muslims treated Jews fairly in the former Byzantine Empire? So why deny Jews from entering Medina and Mecca? Awww, why disallow ALL non-Muslims? I thought Muslims are nice people? Especially the ones from the Middle East?

 

[jblake]

planten;:

Where did god give any commandments to the christians?

There are 1050 commandments in the New Testament.
The First Testament contains 613 Commandments.

But I believe that the TEN Commandments were given to the Jews only.

a) The Ethical Decalogue is repeated in both the Pauline Epistles, and the Gospels. The Ritual Decalogue is abrogated in the Pauline Epistles, and Acts, but it is not abrogated in the Gospels.

b) Both the Ritual Decalogue, and the Ethical Decalogue are minor elaborations of the Noachide Commandments which are binding upon all.

xan

jonathon

 

[jblake]

ralphinal;:

How long did it take them to cover 1000 miles in those days?

Ten days if they could get fresh mounts twice a day.
Sixty days if they could not get fresh mounts every day.

xan

jonathon

 

[ralphinal]

Ten days if they could get fresh mounts twice a day.
Sixty days if they could not get fresh mounts every day.

xan

jonathon

Ok. And that assums pack animals that went at the same rate.

Hagar ran away, according to the Bible. I really doubt that she packed supplies enough for a 60 day trip…

 

[Sam_777]

Sam_777;4336860:

FYI: Mecca and Medina can’t even entered by non-Muslims.
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/img/hway-2-mecca-muslims-only.jpg

That’s strange. I thought Muslims loved the Jews and they had the best treatment when Jerusalem was ruled by Muslims? I also thought the Muslims treated Jews fairly in the former Byzantine Empire? So why deny Jews from entering Medina and Mecca? Awww, why disallow ALL non-Muslims? I thought Muslims are nice people? Especially the ones from the Middle East?

That is Allah instructions:

(Quran 9:28)
“O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.”

 

[jblake]

ralphinal;:

Ok. And that assumes pack animals that went at the same rate.

No baggage train. (That would slow things down considerably — to as little as five miles per day.)

On a horse or camel, changing mounts, and doing either a canter, or gallop, for most of the day.

I really doubt that she packed supplies enough for a 60 day trip…

Probably not. However, she might have picked up supplies along the way.

xan

jonathon

 

[ralphinal]

No baggage train. (That would slow things down considerably — to as little as five miles per day.)

On a horse or camel, changing mounts, and doing either a canter, or gallop, for most of the day.

It just keeps getting less likely, doesn’t it?

Probably not. However, she might have picked up supplies along the way.

xan

jonathon

and how did she pay for those supplies?

Again, logic says that Mecca was not where they ended up.

 

[Sailka]

Interesting, I thought Muhammad and his successors threw all the Jews out of the Arabian peninsula.

I would question whether you are accurately posting the information, and exactly what is meant by “Arabia” since you probably have in mind the peninsula.

Few people post knowingly false numbers here. But his numbers don’t include Christians, though, the vast majority in population in Arabia, Muhammads time. Were not many Jews there then.

You may also be unaware that Islam respected other Faiths that respected them. Politiscians with ideas of their own ruined that, as is happening in Palestine and Middle East now < 100% illegal, immoral Land grabs, then walling off the remaining locals from jobs, commerce, Church, even sometimes water. Its called Land grabs, aka as 'Settlements" on other’s property.
Its always been politiscians who give religions a bad name, when they use it for Power, Control.
Palestine and Isreal used to be heavily Christian. Ever heard of The Holy Land? Little left of them now, because of job denials, denied housing, walls, etc, by a majority atheist government, using religion for votes from segments of the population. Haven’t heard Isreal is the most Atheist population country in the world?

 

[cathopologist]

That is Allah instructions:

(Quran 9:28)
“O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.”

I didn’t know Allah practiced discrimination? Isn’t God supposed to be all merficul and all kind?

 

[Sailka]

That is Allah instructions:

(Quran 9:28)
“O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.”

Am also concerned about that Quran quote. Holy sites are one thin. Cities are another. True God does Not discriminate, and does not give earthly wealth or money. Sounds like Man’s ideas, not God’s (Allah)

 

[planten]

Am also concerned about that Quran quote. Holy sites are one thin. Cities are another. True God does Not discriminate, and does not give earthly wealth or money. Sounds like Man’s ideas, not God’s (Allah)

**Genesis ch. 12,
4 So Abram left, as the LORD had told him; and Lot went with him. Abram was seventy-five years old when he set out from Haran. 5 He took his wife Sarai, his nephew Lot, all the possessions they had accumulated and the people they had acquired in Haran, and they set out for the land of Canaan, and they arrived there.

6 Abram traveled through the land as far as the site of the great tree of Moreh at Shechem. At that time the Canaanites were in the land. 7 The LORD appeared to Abram and said, “To your offspring [a] I will give this land.**” So he built an altar there to the LORD, who had appeared to him.

Please see that God is giving earthly wealth to children of Abraham.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

I believe everyone worships the same God no matter what faith. They just call Him something or someone else… and there may be more than one.

It all depends on how you see it through diverse eyes.

Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood

 

[Sam_777]

Sam_777;4343204:

That is Allah instructions:

(Quran 9:28

)
“O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.”

I didn’t know Allah practiced discrimination?

• Am also concerned about that Quran quote. Holy sites are one thin. Cities are another. True God does Not discriminate, (Allah)

God The Most High doesn’t BUT Allah does.

 

[ralphinal]

Whn God promised land to the Isrealites, it was not as a form of wealth. It was two-fold in purpose. First, it gave them a home. These people bounced from place to place, stating with Abraham. The land given to them was to be their land. NOt that they could sell it, but to be a homeland.

Second, its location was along the major land trade routes. More and more people would be exposed to the One True God. They would be a sign to all peoples of God.

 

[Sam_777]

ralphinal:

Second, its location was along the major land trade routes. More and more people would be exposed to the One True God.

That makes sense. :aok:

 

[ralphinal]

That makes sense. :aok:

Doesn’t it? Further, Mecca IS NOT along major land trade routes in the area. To get from Egypt to Persia or to Greece by land, you would have to go through the land Of the Isrealites.