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dan1el
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Islam’s roots are in Middleastern mythology and idolatry, mixed together with some Christian faith, the same way Catholicism is born out of Paganism and a little of Christian doctrine.
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cathopologist
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What makes you so sure Catholicism was born out of paganism and a “little of Christian doctrine”? What’s your religious affiliation?Islam’s roots are in Middleastern mythology and idolatry, mixed together with some Christian faith, the same way Catholicism is born out of Paganism and a little of Christian doctrine.
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Matariel
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You have no idea what you’re talking about.Islam’s roots are in Middleastern mythology and idolatry, mixed together with some Christian faith, the same way Catholicism is born out of Paganism and a little of Christian doctrine.
The Catholic Church was founded in 33 A.D. by Christ and the Apostles. It is the sole Church which is called “the pillar and foundation of truth” by St. Paul, and Saint Peter is the Rock on which the Church is built according to Jesus. Saint Peter was the first universal bishop, the Bishop of Rome. Christ also said that the gates of Hell would not prevail against the Catholic Church, in the Gospel of Matthew.
In the 300’s, the Church defined the Doctrine of the Trinity, and condemned the Arianism, which denied Christ’s divinity.
The Church also defined the Canon of holy Scripture around this time.
What evidence do you have that Christ was wrong when He said the gates of Hell would not prevail against the Catholic Church and that it was corrupted by Paganism? None!
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dan1el
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Constantine forced people into faith - these people, at the threat of death, not through divine gift of faith, gave their words (not their hearts) that they believed in Christ.
Upon this foundation, the church was built, temples were converted from houses of idol worship to houses of Christian worship, and ideas carried over. The entire idea of the “Queen of Heaven” is a very old, pagan one, going back even into the old testament.
However, in the Word of God, God commanded the Israelites to DESTROY the idols and everything the people of Canaan believed, and NOT to learn how they worshiped God. To the contrary of God’s command, your hermits learned their lifestyles from the Essene Jewish people, which God clearly prohibited.
Many of the ideas from the pagan religions you went to convert have infiltrated your system of thinking/faith/dogma, and for this reason, you lack evidence and power.
“The Kingdom is not in words, but in power.”
I attest to you that the Catholic church has alot in the way of words, but not much in the way of power.
How could athiests exist if the church had power? Instead of repenting, probably because they didn’t know what was wrong, and why there wasn’t any more power, they just gave a human reason as to why the power disappeared. It is done to you according to your faith: human thoughts yield human conditions; God-faith yields God conditions.
Not to condemn the church, but…
People have been killed in the name of the church : was this in obedience to Jesus’ command to turn the other cheek, and resist not being done evil? Yet the church approved it, whereas Jesus said the furthest you could go was to treat such a one as a tax-collector. I do not say this to bring charges against the church, but to show that if Peter himself had to be corrected for his error in Galatians 2:11, how much more his children? (As you call him your father?)
“Whoever says they are without sin lies and makes God into a liar.” 1 John
If you say the church is without error, it isn’t true, as history has shown us.
Anti-semitism was rampant on part of the church, despite Scripture stating that the Jewish people could not be replaced as the chosen people of God, and would one day return to God at the end of this age Romans 11:1-26.
Nonetheless, every individual who believes into Jesus Christ is a new Creation in Him - precious - and has the grace to become a Son of God, and I love you; we are part of the same Body, Jesus, but I the false doctrines/beliefs that short-circuit the flow of God’s grace, and disable you from the freedom in Christ’s truth.
Upon this foundation, the church was built, temples were converted from houses of idol worship to houses of Christian worship, and ideas carried over. The entire idea of the “Queen of Heaven” is a very old, pagan one, going back even into the old testament.
However, in the Word of God, God commanded the Israelites to DESTROY the idols and everything the people of Canaan believed, and NOT to learn how they worshiped God. To the contrary of God’s command, your hermits learned their lifestyles from the Essene Jewish people, which God clearly prohibited.
Many of the ideas from the pagan religions you went to convert have infiltrated your system of thinking/faith/dogma, and for this reason, you lack evidence and power.
“The Kingdom is not in words, but in power.”
I attest to you that the Catholic church has alot in the way of words, but not much in the way of power.
How could athiests exist if the church had power? Instead of repenting, probably because they didn’t know what was wrong, and why there wasn’t any more power, they just gave a human reason as to why the power disappeared. It is done to you according to your faith: human thoughts yield human conditions; God-faith yields God conditions.
Not to condemn the church, but…
People have been killed in the name of the church : was this in obedience to Jesus’ command to turn the other cheek, and resist not being done evil? Yet the church approved it, whereas Jesus said the furthest you could go was to treat such a one as a tax-collector. I do not say this to bring charges against the church, but to show that if Peter himself had to be corrected for his error in Galatians 2:11, how much more his children? (As you call him your father?)
“Whoever says they are without sin lies and makes God into a liar.” 1 John
If you say the church is without error, it isn’t true, as history has shown us.
Anti-semitism was rampant on part of the church, despite Scripture stating that the Jewish people could not be replaced as the chosen people of God, and would one day return to God at the end of this age Romans 11:1-26.
Nonetheless, every individual who believes into Jesus Christ is a new Creation in Him - precious - and has the grace to become a Son of God, and I love you; we are part of the same Body, Jesus, but I the false doctrines/beliefs that short-circuit the flow of God’s grace, and disable you from the freedom in Christ’s truth.
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dan1el
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Reminds me of when the Jews said,You have no idea what you’re talking about.
The Catholic Church was founded in 33 A.D. by Christ and the Apostles. It is the sole Church which is called “the pillar and foundation of truth” by St. Paul, and Saint Peter is the Rock on which the Church is built according to Jesus. Saint Peter was the first universal bishop, the Bishop of Rome. Christ also said that the gates of Hell would not prevail against the Catholic Church, in the Gospel of Matthew.
In the 300’s, the Church defined the Doctrine of the Trinity, and condemned the Arianism, which denied Christ’s divinity.
The Church also defined the Canon of holy Scripture around this time.
What evidence do you have that Christ was wrong when He said the gates of Hell would not prevail against the Catholic Church and that it was corrupted by Paganism? None!
"They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father " Jesus said to them, " If you are Abraham’s children, do the deeds of Abraham.” John 8:39
Why don’t you have the power the early Church Fathers did?.. Maybe the words and thoughts have changed…
but to this, Jesus replies:
“…and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, ’ We have Abraham for our father’; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham…” Matthew 3:9
and (thank God I just happened upon this):
“nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: " THROUGH ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS WILL BE NAMED.” Romans 9:7
Meaning, that which is of faith towards God; not that which is built by humans, is respected, before God.
Aside from this, the "church’ is actually called the “congregation” of God. Do you think to say that only the catholics are the congregation of God? Many Protestants say mean things about Catholics, but I understand that we are all of one body, and we are all the congregation of God, whoever abides in faith, or else:
“…you, too, will be cut off…” Romans 11
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cathopologist
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Your charge on the Catholic Church is not only lame but has been brought up several times in the past and debunked. Protestants like yourself have even grown tired of making such blatant accusations because they know the answer to their questions already. They do not necessarily have to rely on the Catholic apologist; but if they actually READ the Bible WITHOUT dissecting sections of it as though they were some “biblical scholar/surgeon”, they will come to know the Truth.Not to condemn the church, but…
People have been killed in the name of the church : was this in obedience to Jesus’ command to turn the other cheek, and resist not being done evil? Yet the church approved it, whereas Jesus said the furthest you could go was to treat such a one as a tax-collector. I do not say this to bring charges against the church, but to show that if Peter himself had to be corrected for his error in Galatians 2:11, how much more his children? (As you call him your father?)
“Whoever says they are without sin lies and makes God into a liar.” 1 John
If you say the church is without error, it isn’t true, as history has shown us.
Anti-semitism was rampant on part of the church, despite Scripture stating that the Jewish people could not be replaced as the chosen people of God, and would one day return to God at the end of this age Romans 11:1-26.
Nonetheless, every individual who believes into Jesus Christ is a new Creation in Him - precious - and has the grace to become a Son of God, and I love you; we are part of the same Body, Jesus, but I the false doctrines/beliefs that short-circuit the flow of God’s grace, and disable you from the freedom in Christ’s truth.
And as for killing in the name of religion; seriously - don’t be bias and be honest. You know VERY well what Catholics had to go through during the Deformation of England under the Queen’s rule. Or how Catholics (alongside Jews) were butchered during WWII, etc.
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dan1el
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The singular point I am making is that Catholic Dogma is not 100% correct; would you agree with this?
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cathopologist
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No. I have full faith in the Magisterium. Read Matthew 16:17-19 and you will know why i said that.The singular point I am making is that Catholic Dogma is not 100% correct; would you agree with this?
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dan1el
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You can’t argue with the fact that through Catholicism, Europe has become the center of humanism for the world - and that it is because they lack the power and evidence of faith.
“Show me your faith by your words, and I will show you my faith by my works.”
“Show me your faith by your words, and I will show you my faith by my works.”
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dan1el
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Oh, I guess they were right in the Crusades, right?No. I have full faith in the Magisterium. Read Matthew 16:17-19 and you will know why i said that.
“Thou shalt kill unbelievers and wage war to occupy Jerusalem” one of the beatittudes, right?
Oh, wait, Jesus said something to the contrary, right? Right.
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cathopologist
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Please. What is Protestant Europe doing then? Evangelizing the people of King’s Street? Don’t blame Catholicism when Protestant Europeans themselves are falling behind.You can’t argue with the fact that through Catholicism, Europe has become the center of humanism for the world - and that it is because they lack the power and evidence of faith.
“Show me your faith by your words, and I will show you my faith by my works.”
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dan1el
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No, America is terrible, but Europe was the birthplace of humanism and those who fall away from the faith. I didn’t say “morals”, I said “humanism” and “atheism”.
Look at church attendance in your country.
Look at church attendance in your country.
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dan1el
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In your mind, you see “Catholicism and Protestantism” whereas I just judge things by the Scriptures, as I have been commanded to do in 1 Th 5:21 and 1 john, when he said, “Test the spirits”. And I’ve tested the spirit which would desire to cover the truth, and found it to be false. I do the same with false “protestant” foolishness, too, but it is no more foolish than Catholic foolery, and my own foolishness is not any better.
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cathopologist
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The Crusades wasn’t about occupying Jerusalem. Where did you get that info from? The Turks? In any case, the Crusaders would have gotten back Jerusalem from the Muslim invaders had the Reformation not taken place. The Middle East would not be what it is today if Luther co-operated and apologized for his heretical teachings.Oh, I guess they were right in the Crusades, right?
“Thou shalt kill unbelievers and wage war to occupy Jerusalem” one of the beatittudes, right?
Oh, wait, Jesus said something to the contrary, right? Right.
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dan1el
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You side-stepped the point that the church made an ERROR in commanding people to be killed - in the name of God. What are you afraid of? Why are you not able to admit fault? You’re not in heaven yet; when Jesus returns, He will destroy all error, and then you will be perfect; until then… you make errors!The Crusades wasn’t about occupying Jerusalem. Where did you get that info from? The Turks? In any case, the Crusaders would have gotten back Jerusalem from the Muslim invaders had the Reformation not taken place. The Middle East would not be what it is today if Luther co-operated and apologized for his heretical teachings.
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scipio337
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How would you have responded to 300 years of Islamic expansionism? Mistakes were certainly made, but the primary goal of most of the Crusades was to keep it from falling into the Islamic sphere.You side-stepped the point that the church made an ERROR in commanding people to be killed - in the name of God. What are you afraid of? Why are you not able to admit fault? You’re not in heaven yet; when Jesus returns, He will destroy all error, and then you will be perfect; until then… you make errors!
It’s Islamic to this day.
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inJESUS
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I hope this thread won’t be closed for digression…
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cathopologist
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That is the very reason why the Scriptures strongly discourages private interpretation. You make no sense of it and just make ad hominem rants by quoting random verses you think is applicable to your view. And believe me, i have not only tested but also tasted Protestantism - grape juice and crackers and it wasn’t my cup of tea. Not to mention the endless rantings of yabadabadoo when they do not even take speaking in tongues seriously.In your mind, you see “Catholicism and Protestantism” whereas I just judge things by the Scriptures, as I have been commanded to do in 1 Th 5:21 and 1 john, when he said, “Test the spirits”. And I’ve tested the spirit which would desire to cover the truth, and found it to be false. I do the same with false “protestant” foolishness, too, but it is no more foolish than Catholic foolery, and my own foolishness is not any better.
You can call yourself whatever you want - if you are outside the Church, you are a Protestant and will always be one.
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dan1el
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There is no excuse; they disobeyed the commandments of Jesus to their own ends, meaning, their faith wasn’t towards God, but towards themselves, because the words they believed were not of God, but of themselves.How would you have responded to 300 years of Islamic expansionism? Mistakes were certainly made, but the primary goal of most of the Crusades was to keep it from falling into the Islamic sphere.
It’s Islamic to this day.
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dan1el
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lol yeah, like I said, there are many things they do which are not consistent with the things taught in Scripture, just as you do.That is the very reason why the Scriptures strongly discourages private interpretation. You make no sense of it and just make ad hominem rants by quoting random verses you think is applicable to your view. And believe me, i have not only tested but also tasted Protestantism - grape juice and crackers and it wasn’t my cup of tea. Not to mention the endless rantings of yabadabadoo when they do not even take speaking in tongues seriously.
You can call yourself whatever you want - if you are outside the Church, you are a Protestant and will always be one.
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