Does Islam worship the same God?

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dan1el said:
You side-stepped the point that the church made an ERROR in commanding people to be killed - in the name of God. What are you afraid of? Why are you not able to admit fault? You’re not in heaven yet; when Jesus returns, He will destroy all error, and then you will be perfect; until then… you make errors!
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Do you know what is the Just War doctrine? There is a time to love, enjoy peace and there is also a time to kill (when necessary). Oh that’s right - you don’t have Eccles. 3:3 in your Bible, do you? Blame Luther.

You have no right to judge me - leave that to Our Lord. Thank you.
 
dan1el said:
There is no excuse; they disobeyed the commandments of Jesus to their own ends, meaning, their faith wasn’t towards God, but towards themselves, because the words they believed were not of God, but of themselves.
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Really doesn’t answer the question, now does it?

Yeah, okay. And the rich Christian heritage of the region was lost forever. Contrary to popular belief, the Crusader states were not planted on undisputed Moslem land, but the very cradle of Christianity.
 
I guess if we truly departed, the Spirit would’ve departed as well; but such as is not the case, verified by transformed lives by His Holy power, this is not the case.
 
scipio337 said:
Really doesn’t answer the question, now does it?

Yeah, okay. And the rich Christian heritage of the region was lost forever. Contrary to popular belief, the Crusader states were not planted on undisputed Moslem land, but the very cradle of Christianity.
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The only point is that the church, just as the “Father” of the Church, Peter, is capable of making mistakes (Gal 2:11), period.
 
Alright, well I’m done with this arguing, because it is not the will of the Spirit, so… God bless you anyhow.

Also, the Spirit of God is NOT in all religions, and that is what this discussion is about. The Spirit is given as a free gift to THOSE WHO BELIEVE.
 
Yes, let’s please not feed Daniel and (through his digression) this thread to the lions…er, moderators. If Daniel or someone else wants to start another thread to rehash the same old arguments on what Constantine did or didn’t do, the Crusades, or anything else, feel free. Keep it out of this thread.

Now, as to Muslims worshiping the same God as we do, I must conclude that it is true. This is a natural outcome of monotheism, to me. In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, there is but ONE God, that that is the God who is written of in the Holy Bible. This is something upon which I and all Christians stake both life and eternal soul.

So, the only conclusion I can make is that the Muslims have an incomplete and imperfect conception of God, due to the things that their own scriptures tell about them about God, and the reality that we share with them and all communities that no one can truly understand God’s nature in this life. I think that the Muslim conception of God is deeply flawed, as likewise they think of the Christian conception. However, I would never think to say that they worship a different God, only that their scripture is incorrect in its dipiction of God, and hence Muslims are in their understanding of Him to a greater degree than Christians, who have THE correct view of God but are still hampered by our natural inability to fully comprehend Him which the Bible itself tells us we cannot overcome while we remain on this earth.

For the Catholics who are claiming that the Muslims do not worship our God, are you aware that this belief is in direct contradiction with Church teaching on this subject? Please look around in the “Ask an apologist” section of this messageboard. I believe you will find many useful links there that can clarify the Church’s position for you.
 
Yes Muslims worship the same God since there is One God to begin with but not everyone who claims to be receiving revelations from God is indeed a prophet…a self proclaimed can still preach about God yet not from God.
 
Excellent point, inJESUS. Had this thread been titled “Is Muhammad a prophet of God?” I would have had to reply “no”.

Also excellent points from you, Jharek. It is nice to know that there are still many Christians who can discuss issues related to Islam without falling into paroxysms of fear, hatred, and paranoia. 🙂
 
Booklover;:
for you including how to wipe yourself when you go to the bathroom?
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That is one of a number of aspects of Islam, that was picked up from Judaism.

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jonathon
 
cathopologist;:
In any case, the Crusaders would have gotten back Jerusalem from the Muslim invaders had the Reformation not taken place.
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Would that have been before, or after the Catholic Church exterminated Orthodox Christianity?

Furthermore, there is the issue of who would have fought in those crusades? The best of the fighters having been murdered in cold blood, it was obvious that the church was nothing more than the plaything of the King of France.

xan

jonathon
 
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cathopologist:
Just War doctrine
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All of the crusades failed all of the requirements that are needed to be met, for a “just war” to take place.

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jonathon
 
dzheremi;:
Now, as to Muslims worshiping the same God as we do, I must conclude that it is true. This is a natural outcome of monotheism, to me.
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Except for the not so little issue that Islam is polytheistic, not monotheistic. According to the Q’ran, there are three Goddesses and One God who are to be worshiped.

xan

jonathon
 
jblake said:
All of the crusades failed all of the requirements that are needed to be met, for a “just war” to take place.

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jonathon
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If it wasn’t for the Crusades, we’d all be Muslims right now.
 
jblake said:
Except for the not so little issue that Islam is polytheistic, not monotheistic. According to the Q’ran, there are three Goddesses and One God who are to be worshiped.

xan

jonathon
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This is also false. The Quran doesn’t say that; rather, that was what the pre-Islamic Arabians believed.
 
jblake said:
Except for the not so little issue that Islam is polytheistic, not monotheistic. According to the Q’ran, there are three Goddesses and One God who are to be worshiped.

xan

jonathon
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I have not heard of this three Goddesses and One God mentioned in the Quran, so I cannot comment on that. It is possible that there is some contextual explanation of it, but I will not trust many Muslims here to properly explain it. 🙂

Can you quote for the benefit of all of us the passage(s) you are referring to, and maybe provide your analysis of them? I do not own a Quran and I have no idea how I would go about looking this up (I am guessing that typing “polytheist Quran” into Google would probably bring up all sorts of Islamic apologetics sites that would leave me even more confused than I am now).
 
dan1el said:
No, America is terrible, but Europe was the birthplace of humanism and those who fall away from the faith. I didn’t say “morals”, I said “humanism” and “atheism”.
Look at church attendance in your country.
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It was the Church that condemned Modernism and Humanism over and over again. The Protestant communities are rapidly falling prey to it though, just as they no longer see contraception as a sin.
 
Matariel said:
It was the Church that condemned Modernism and Humanism over and over again. The Protestant communities are rapidly falling prey to it though, just as they no longer see contraception as a sin.
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There is so much more to list than contraception, but since you bring it up. Could there be a link, with physical contraception and spiritual contraception? Think about it. In both cases, you are shutting God out of things. Closing a door to Him.

Now, that being said- I think the question being asked here is unfair. Europe may not have LARGE numbers of practicing christians- however it would be a grave mistake to rule out the faithful few that remain, and their light.

Muslims are selling to potential converts the “numbers game” IOW, “everybody is doing it”

Well, that can apply to rampant sin also.😉
 
dan1el said:
The only point is that the church, just as the “Father” of the Church, Peter, is capable of making mistakes (Gal 2:11), period.
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Moral failures-sins yes, because the Church consists of sinners.
Doctrinal failures-no never.
 
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