Does Islam worship the same God?

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thirsty said:
Often Christianity is lumped together with Judaism and Islam as monotheist religions. I understand and accept that the three all worship only 1 God, but am questioning whether Muslims believe in the same God as Christians.
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Through reason one can achieve a certain natural knowledge of God, i.e. that God is One, Simple, Omnipotent, Omniscient, etc, which Muslims seem to grasp. However true worship of God requires a spirituality involving all three Persons as the ancient doxology proclaims:

May I be drawn to the Father, through the Son, by the Holy Spirit.

And as our Lord said, there is no way to the Father except through Him, and for us to believe and call the name of the Lord requires the Holy spirit.

The Second Person of the Trinity manifested Himself in numerous Theophanies recorded in the Old Testament, it was through Him that Prophets like Abraham and Moses received revelation. Likewise, the OT speaks of God’s Spirit as something separate and personified, that aids man in his spiritual journey.

Of course, it was not until the coming of the Messiah that these truths were fully revealed.

So put it in an analogy, Muslims are aware that there is a person in a house but they don’t know who this person really is.
 
Of course NOT!

Do muslims call God Yahweh? If not, how can they claim to be worshipping the same God?

Exodus 3:15 God also said to Moses, "Say this to the Israelites: Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever; this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.

Can I say I am also your brother but have a different surname from yours?

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Muslim_Woman said:
Salaam/peace

God prayed to God ? :confused:

pl. ans when Jesus (p) died , how Christians prayed ?
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Jesus, existing in the form of God, emptied Himself and took upon the form of a servant. He became man. So yes, Jesus as man prayed to God. And this is what He prayed…

“And now Father, glorify me with the Glory I had with you before the world began.”
 
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SimonArizona said:
So yes, Jesus as man prayed to God. ."
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a Chrstian in other forum told me Jesus (p) was 100 % God & 100 % human at the same time. Even when he was in mother’s womb.

so , 100 % God prayed to other 100 % God ?

PS. u may ans to it in blessed Trinity thread.
 
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SimonArizona said:
Jesus, existing in the form of God, emptied Himself and took upon the form of a servant. ."
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I mentioned in Ask about Islam thread that the first sentence of Jesus (p) was I am a servant of God . Some Christians did not like that.
 
Muslim_Woman said:
Salaam/peace

a Chrstian in other forum told me Jesus (p) was 100 % God & 100 % human at the same time. Even when he was in mother’s womb.

so , 100 % God prayed to other 100 % God ?
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Well, there is a lot to explain here.

Please see “Trinity explained for Muslim Woman.”

quick answer: Jesus prayed to His Father, because although He is God, he emptied Himself of his Glory, humbled himself, and became submissive unto death.
 
Muslim_Woman said:
Salaam/peace

I mentioned in Ask about Islam thread that the first sentence of Jesus (p) was I am a servant of God . Some Christians did not like that.
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haha yea, many don’t have an education in their own faith.

I can imagine that if you saw your Muslim brother or sister answer incorrectly, you too will be disappointed.
 
Look here at the secrets of Holy Scripture.

You are familiar with Old Testament…

Exd 3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, [when] I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What [is] his name? what shall I say unto them?

Exd 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Look at how Jesus answers the Jews…

Jhn 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

Jhn 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honor myself, my honor is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

Jhn 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

Jhn 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad.

Jhn 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

Jhn 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.

Jhn 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him:
 
guestmuslim said:
Muslims we belief that there is only one God for every thing on this universe (including Humans). Since Christians think that Jesus (PUHIM) is God, I wonder what is thier answer for this question:
Who was the GOD of the people before the birth of Jesus(PUHIM)?

Thanks
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oh brother, here we go again!
 
Muslims worship the One who created the bacterial flagellum.

Scientists have known about the flagellum for some time. However, its structural details, which have only emerged over the last decade or so, have come as a great surprise to them. It has been discovered that the flagellum moves by means of a very complicated “organic motor,” and not by a simple vibratory mechanism as was earlier believed. This propeller-like engine is constructed on the same mechanical principles as an electric motor. There are two main parts to it: a moving part (the “rotor”) and a stationary one (the “stator”).

The bacterial flagellum is different from all other organic systems that produce mechanical motion. The cell does not utilize available energy stored as ATP molecules. Instead, it has a special energy source: Bacteria use energy from the flow of ions across their outer cell membranes. The inner structure of the motor is extremely complex. Approximately 240 distinct proteins go into constructing the flagellum. Each one of these is carefully positioned. Scientists have determined that these proteins carry the signals to turn the motor on or off, form joints to facilitate movements at the atomic scale, and activate other proteins that connect the flagellum to the cell membrane. The models constructed to summarize the working of the system are enough to depict the complicated nature of the system.


(click on image to read more)http://www.harunyahya.com/images_books/images_refuted/275.jpgAn electric motor-but not one in a household appliance or vehicle. This one is in a bacterium. Thanks to this motor, bacteria have been able to move those organs known as “flagella” and thus swim in water.This was discovered in the 1970s, and astounded the world of science, because this “irreducibly complex” organ, made up of some 240 distinct proteins, cannot

The bacterial flagellum is different from all other organic systems that produce mechanical motion. The cell does not utilize available energy stored as ATP molecules. Instead, it has a special energy source: Bacteria use energy from the flow of ions across their outer cell membranes. The inner structure of the motor is extremely complex. Approximately 240 distinct proteins go into constructing the flagellum. Each one of these is carefully positioned. Scientists have determined that these proteins carry the signals to turn the motor on or off, form joints to facilitate movements at the atomic scale, and activate other proteins that connect the flagellum to the cell membrane. The models constructed to summarize the working of the system are enough to depict the complicated nature of the system.

The complicated structure of the bacterial flagellum is sufficient all by itself to demolish the theory of evolution, since the flagellum has an irreducibly complex structure. If one single molecule in this fabulously complex structure were to disappear, or become defective, the flagellum would neither work nor be of any use to the bacterium. The flagellum must have been working perfectly from the first moment of its existence. This fact again reveals the nonsense in the theory of evolution’s assertion of “step by step development.” In fact, not one evolutionary biologist has so far succeeded in explaining the origin of the bacterial flagellum although a few tried to do so.

The bacterial flagellum is clear evidence that even in supposedly “primitive” creatures there is an extraordinary design. As humanity learns more about the details, it becomes increasingly obvious that the organisms considered to be the simplest by the scientists of nineteenth century, including Darwin, are in fact just as complex as any others.

Do Christians and Jews also worship the ONE Creator of the bacterial flagellum?

If your answer is ‘Yes’, then why are you constantly questioning whether or not Muslims worship the same God as you do?
 
hamba2han said:
Do Christians and Jews also worship the ONE Creator of the bacterial flagellum?

If your answer is ‘Yes’, then why are you constantly questioning whether or not Muslims worship the same God as you do?
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Hi “hamba2han”,

I like to read your posts in general :), however, the big difference in the behaviour of God in the Bible versus Allah in Islam, is the thing that letting them questioning that, if God in both books speaks the same facts and principals, then I think we would have a different opinion nowadays.
Just read this prophecy carefully:
(Isaiah 14:12-14):
“How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.”.
 
hamba2han said:
Muslims worship the One who created the bacterial flagellum.
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Did the One who created the bacterial flagellum dictate the Quran? How could the all knowing and powerful God dictate a book so full of errors, contradictions, hate, and absurdities.
Do Christians and Jews also worship the ONE Creator of the bacterial flagellum?

If your answer is ‘Yes’, then why are you constantly questioning whether or not Muslims worship the same God as you do?
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Simple, we don’t believe the God who created everything dictated the Quran to Muhammad!

Vickie
 
Sam_777 said:
Hi “hamba2han”,

I like to read your posts in general :), however, the big difference in the behaviour of God in the Bible versus Allah in Islam, is the thing that letting them questioning that, if God in both books speaks the same facts and principals, then I think we would have a different opinion nowadays.
Just read this prophecy carefully:
(Isaiah 14:12-14):
“How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.”.
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Prophecy you say?

"And this [is] the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand [went] a fiery law for them." … Deuteronomy 33:1

If you look closely at the wording of this verse, you will see that it bears the chronological succession of the prophets of God, like the rising sun.
Came: the first appearance of daylight in the morning; dawn.
Rose up: the arrival of the sun in the morning.
Shined forth: Mid-day sun which lights up the Earth from East to West. Islam has indeed come to shine all over the earth as the mid-day sun.

http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/img/map.gif

For a more complete explanation of this prophecy, kindly go to this webpage

Muslims do not have any problem at all accepting that Deuteronomy 33:1 is indeed a prophecy which has been fulfilled.

Christians, on the other hand, have a real problem believing this prophecy which is written in their own Bible.

I would say that Muslims in general have more faith in the truth of the Bible than do most Christians.
 
hamba2han said:
Prophecy you say?

"And this [is] the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand [went] a fiery law for them." … Deuteronomy 33:1

If you look closely at the wording of this verse, you will see that it bears the chronological succession of the prophets of God, like the rising sun.
Came: the first appearance of daylight in the morning; dawn.
Rose up: the arrival of the sun in the morning.
Shined forth: Mid-day sun which lights up the Earth from East to West. Islam has indeed come to shine all over the earth as the mid-day sun.

http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/img/map.gif

For a more complete explanation of this prophecy, kindly go to this webpage

Muslims do not have any problem at all accepting that Deuteronomy 33:1 is indeed a prophecy which has been fulfilled.

Christians, on the other hand, have a real problem believing this prophecy which is written in their own Bible.

I would say that Muslims in general have more faith in the truth of the Bible than do most Christians.
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Hamba, please stop beating a dead horse! This has been refuted many times ad nauseam! 🤷

Vickie
 
Comon, Someone in this thread said that Jesus(PUHIM) is God.
I am really curious to know how jesus(PUHIM) was God before he was born and wouldnt that make him the God of Moses(PUHIM)
 
Booklover said:
Hamba, please stop beating a dead horse! This has been refuted many times ad nauseam! 🤷

Vickie
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**BL, you had no way to refute the prophecy. So you passed it off as a difficult matter. See it again, I am thankful to Hamba for presenting it here:

“And this [is] the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand [went] a fiery law for them.” … Deuteronomy 33:1

It is quite clear Allah told Moses a.s. and he (moses a.s.) told his people and the rest of the world that :
  1. God came from Sinai, That is definitely the coming of Moses a.s. himself from Sinai.
  2. God also came from Seir. That is definitely Jesus who came in Syria.
  3. God shined forth from Paran, That is Muhammad.
  4. Muhammad came with 10,000 saintly men when he returned to Makkah. There were never 10, 000 men with david or any one else.
  5. It is also told that from his right hand [went] a fiery law for them. That is also Muhammad who brought a new law (Code). It is a fiery law. The right hand is also important because the right hand takes precedence in all the teachings of Muhammad.
That is a perfect prophecy about the spiritual journey of mankind in three stages. Let any one who likes, believe it please.**
 
guestmuslim said:
Comon, Someone in this thread said that Jesus(PUHIM) is God.
I am really curious to know how jesus(PUHIM) was God before he was born and wouldnt that make him the God of Moses(PUHIM)
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Jesus is the Son, the Logos, the Second Person of the Trinity. Yes, he was before he was Born, and yes, he is the God of Moses.
 
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