Does Muhammed offer better morality than Jesus does?

[meedo]

Hello All,

My Opinion as a muslim would be that Muhammed taught the same morality as Jesus ,Peace be upon them all .

The reason i think that is because they are prophets from teh same God.

However , Jesus had different missions than Muhammed. he was sent to believing people but ones who need reformation. He was not assigned to bring his message to the whole world but to the people of Israel.

This is a major difference.

Morality is definetly relative. When we know it from God himself on Judgement day will be absoloute because then he will be the judge of us all.

Right now my morality says that women should be covering their hair when outside. Many Christians disagree . Even though we care about the same thing which is modesty we still have differences. So Morality isnt different because Muslims chose it to be that way for them, it is because thats just the way it is.

God doesnt condones immorality. But he condoned Cane and able marrying their sisters. At the time it wasnt immoral. Now it is.

Many Christians talk about how immoral heaven is in muslim minds. Bodily flesh and stuff.

whats the problem with that exactly? If God sanctioned one to marry a lady and have a bodily sweaty naked lustfull relationship with her every now and then . Why wouldnt he sanction it in heaven? He sees us there and here .

The immorality comes when doing an act of injustice. if the girl that i am marrying i am going to be abusive or her or treat her badly thats immoral. But certainly Jacob wasnt immoral when he married many wives. From Jacob ancestry comes Jesus PBUH. Is Jesus the child of an immoral act?

God created us the way we are. Certain mindset, certain physical abilities, certain lusts, certain desires, certain needs, certain emotions.

That is how we are created on this earth and life. In heaven he can change circumstances and cause change our perception from things to be immoral to moral.

Lets say God gives me a palace in heaven , with lovely gardens and a stream beside us with lovely breeze coming by and a sea view. Lets say he gave me 10 great beutiful happy and friendly wives. What is immoral in that ?

Some peopl here i wont convince obviously because they dont want to be . But i urge you to look objectively.

Whatever God accepts is moral and what ever he doesnt is immoral. The Question lies in what did God accept and what he didnt . and obviously because we have different faiths then you would disagree with me.

many people who are critical of islam never ask themselves certain questions. Like why this ‘’ sword weilding warlord’’ died poor and inneed for money to feed his family? while he could have had any thing he wanted. Why did this sword wielding warlord didnt accept the offer from the Pagants at his time to make him their king and richest and to marry their most beautiful and noble in return that he stops preaching for the God of Abraham.

Why did he leave all this for an uncertain adventure that he doesnt know what is the result of and that he didnt benefit from in his life?! ( If he is a just a mere sword weilding warlord)

God commands us to use our brain and honesty to reach him .

Didnt Muhammed forgive all the Meccans who fought him in war?

Didnt he go to visit his jewish neighbor who used to throw garbage in his yard every day ?

Didnt he look away with his face many times whenever a lady come to him to confess that she sinned and want to be cleansed?

Whatever you have as a sign of Morality in Jesus we also have in Islam. It is just many people dont like to know it or mention it. Jesus made a browl by casting the money lenders out of the temple right? wasnt he using violence? Couldnt he just ask them to leave nicely!

Its silly, really silly to go around hunting for incidents and misinterpreting them in order to demonise the other.

Finally i say again. Whatever God sanctioned as Moral IS Moral. Just because Jesus didnt do it doesnt mean its wrong.

salam

Hastrman is trying to give some honest insight beyond shallow hate. God bless him.

 

[Booklover]

Hello All,

My Opinion as a muslim would be that Muhammed taught the same morality as Jesus ,Peace be upon them all .

Nonsense! Muhammad’s “morality” is contradictory to Jesus’!

he reason i think that is because they are prophets from teh same God.

God does not send contradictory messages! Prove that Muhammad was a “real prophet”!

However , Jesus had different missions than Muhammed. he was sent to believing people but ones who need reformation. He was not assigned to bring his message to the whole world but to the people of Israel.

This is a major difference.

Jesus told his apostles to “make disciples of all the nations”!

]Right now my morality says that women should be covering their hair when outside. Many Christians disagree . Even though we care about the same thing which is modesty we still have differences. So Morality isnt different because Muslims chose it to be that way for them, it is because thats just the way it is.

Why should a woman have to cover her hair when she goes out? If a man gets turned on by seeing a woman bareheaded, he is a sex maniac!

whats the problem with that exactly? If God sanctioned one to marry a lady and have a bodily sweaty naked lustfull relationship with her every now and then . Why wouldnt he sanction it in heaven? He sees us there and here .

Why do Muslims regard sex as “dirty”? God created if for procreation.

The immorality comes when doing an act of injustice. if the girl that i am marrying i am going to be abusive or her or treat her badly thats immoral. But certainly Jacob wasnt immoral when he married many wives. From Jacob ancestry comes Jesus PBUH. Is Jesus the child of an immoral act?

Don’t blaspheme Jesus’ birth!

That is how we are created on this earth and life. In heaven he can change circumstances and cause change our perception from things to be immoral to moral.

This has to be one of the most absurd statements you’ve ever made on this site! God does not declare something immoral here on earth and then permit it in Heaven!

Vickie

 

[FightingFat]

Islam is the religion of justice, Christianity is the religion of love.
Of course this doesn’t mean that eithers exponents demonstrate those virtues!

 

[Damascus]

Islam is the religion of justice, Christianity is the religion of love.
Of course this doesn’t mean that eithers exponents demonstrate those virtues!

Interesting summary, and will not argue that observation.

But, in all fairness- how does that answer the question in the original post?

Better morality is the concern of the original post, I think…

 

[FightingFat]

What is morality concerned with? What is more relevant? Love or justice?

 

[inJESUS]

Hello All,

My Opinion as a muslim would be that Muhammed taught the same morality as Jesus ,Peace be upon them all .

 

[inJESUS]

Some peopl here i wont convince obviously because they dont want to be . But i urge you to look objectively

objectivity means nothing when Jesus says the opposite…in fact, Jesus answered the misconception that the Jews had, and that Muhammad inherited from them…when they asked him about wives in heaven, Jesus said in heaven there is NO marriage. Now convince me that this is corrupt ! convince me that corrupt people prefere a heaven without marriage!

Whatever God accepts is moral and what ever he doesnt is immoral. The Question lies in what did God accept and what he didnt . and obviously because we have different faiths then you would disagree with me.

we have different faiths because Muhammad contradicts God.

many people who are critical of islam never ask themselves certain questions. Like why this ‘’ sword weilding warlord’’ died poor and inneed for money to feed his family? while he could have had any thing he wanted. Why did this sword wielding warlord didnt accept the offer from the Pagants at his time to make him their king and richest and to marry their most beautiful and noble in return that he stops preaching for the God of Abraham.

oh please…Muhammad had a thousand women, money, war booties, and power…barely a poor guy i guess compared to Jesus.

Why did he leave all this for an uncertain adventure that he doesnt know what is the result of and that he didnt benefit from in his life?! ( If he is a just a mere sword weilding warlord)

he did not benifit? pick any boy from the street and tell him : what would you do if i offer you the women you wish, money and power? believe me, the boy will even sell God for what is offered. If hitler were alive he’d have answered. Hitler is an example of someone who “used” God to gain power.

Didnt he go to visit his jewish neighbor who used to throw garbage in his yard every day ?

he massacred them as well…you see, if one does something good, we cannot disregard the atrocities he did. Am sure Hitler had his good moments as well.

Didnt he look away with his face many times whenever a lady come to him to confess that she sinned and want to be cleansed?

look away? is that how he picked his sexual slaves as well? by turning his face?

Whatever you have as a sign of Morality in Jesus we also have in Islam. It is just many people dont like to know it or mention it. Jesus made a browl by casting the money lenders out of the temple right? wasnt he using violence? Couldnt he just ask them to leave nicely!

one thing is sure. Neither Jesus nor his disciples killed anyone. Jesus and his disciples died for their Faith, Muhammad killed for his faith.

Finally i say again. Whatever God sanctioned as Moral IS Moral. Just because Jesus didnt do it doesnt mean its wrong

. what if Jesus taught AGAINST it?

Wa alaykum asSalam

 

[Anima_Christi]

If I’m not mistaken, the Mohammedan concept of heaven is one of carnal pleasure while the Christian concept is one of union with God (the beatific vision).

 

[inJESUS]

If I’m not mistaken, the Mohammedan concept of heaven is one of carnal pleasure while the Christian concept is one of union with God (the beatific vision).

exactly. Wouldn’t be very cunny to convince people of your cult by offering them all these carnal pleasures?

 

[Damascus]

What is morality concerned with? What is more relevant? Love or justice?

Good point. My answer to that is that is to ask yourself this-

Love is our “Job description” as Christians.

Justice is God’s duty to enforce alone. From the Christian perspective.

If you equate Justice with Islam, as you did in your earlier post, you have to ask yourself if Islam has the right to dispense Justice or if they don’t have the right to dispense it.

Where does God fit in with Islam if he is being cut out of his Job description?

Just a thought.

 

[Booklover]

Hello All,

Whatever God accepts is moral and what ever he doesnt is immoral. The Question lies in what did God accept and what he didnt . and obviously because we have different faiths then you would disagree with me.

You’re making the usual Muslim assumption that you’re the only ones who know what God wants! First make sure that what you believe is really from God and not from Muhammad! A God that claims that the sun sets in a murky spring, that the stars were created as missiles to hurl at the jinns and that the earth is flat is a manmade god!

Why did he leave all this for an uncertain adventure that he doesnt know what is the result of and that he didnt benefit from in his life?! ( If he is a just a mere sword weilding warlord

Are you serious? Muhammad has been accused of being a narcissistic psychopath! He made a living from looting! He raped women captives among other atrocities! And this is the man you follow!

God commands us to use our brain and honesty to reach him .

A “god” who tells you what to eat, how to dress, who gives you instructions on what to do 24 hrs. a day, even how to wipe yourself when you go the bathroom, does not want you to use your brain! He wants you to follow him blindly like a mindless robot!

Muslims claim that Muhammad received a message from God via the Angel Gabriel. Here is a nun who claims that God, the Father appeared to her directly.
circleofprayer.com/the-father-speaks-preface.html

**Most of the unbelievers, the impious and various communities remain in their iniquity and unbelief because they think that I am asking the impossible of them, that they have to submit to My commands like slaves of a tyrannical lord, whose power and pride keep him distant from his subjects, to oblige them to show Him respect and devotion. No, no, My children! I know how to make Myself small, far smaller than you can imagine. **

I challenge you to read the whole article! You will see how different these messages are from the so-called ones “received” by Muhammad!

Vickie

 

[Damascus]

The point of this thread really makes me wonder how anyone can respond to this without the thread turning into a mess.

Simple answer is what is requested by the OP here.

How many posts go by and it is far from simple. Every thread I have ever seen that involves Islam in any way, shape or form gets like this quickly.

I often wonder as a Catholic why we attempt dialouge with followers of Islam when we know that this is futile. Since the Church has spoken about the “slavific” nature of that faith- it really seems - sorry to sound cold- but it seems like a big fat waste of our time and effort to make these attempts.

The posters that are Moslem have a script they repeat over and over here all the time.

We fall into the trap of giving them more exposure to re-state their heresy over and over again.

It is hard to see the commentary they make esp. in regard to Jesus the Son of God the way they do, but- shouldn’t we restrain ourselves from giving them an opportunity to make these heretical comments again and again?

Just wondering. I mean, They seem to get a kick out of seeing us react.

I hate that.

 

[naroad]

Muslims I know have no sparkle in their eyes or aura of holiness, no matter how devout or fastidious in their mechanical religious practices they have no sanctifying grace in them, there are no sacraments to give it to them. Islam is more a total immersion in a codified way of life than a spirituality. Once it is accepted Mohammed supercedes all Prophets then everything he taught has to be accepted Most importantly they reject Christ as God, the Trinity, and only feign respect of Christianity.They don’t believe Christ was crucified it was only an apparition. Christ taught marriage was a holy state and from the beginning was meant to be permanent, Mohammed married 14 times and codified normal Muslims can have up to 4 wives and divorce any at will. Islam is Catholic heresy so the things in it that resemble Catholic morality was just copied whole cloth from Rome. They treat Christians as second class citizens in almost all the countries where they are dominant. In the most fundamental Islamic countries they persecute Christians ie: Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan, et al. Islam is a childish simplication of spirituality written by and made for the unsophisticated uneducated peoples of the third world. I mean the payoff for them is not eternal beatitude and visage of the Eternal Father, it is humping 72 virgins and being served sumptious food by them for all eternity. Islam is a base counterfeit spirituality that unfortunately has over 1 billion adherents. Under no circumstances should they be allowed to propigate in the United States.

 

[Lance]

I think you have Elvis confused with Jerry Lee Lewis. Priscilla was the daughter of an officer on the base where Elvis was stationed in Germany. I believe she was 16 when they met. Jerry Lee married his young cousin. Neither Elvis nor Jerry Lee pretended to be a religious leader much less a prophet like Muhammed did.

 

[Damascus]

I think you have Elvis confused with Jerry Lee Lewis. Priscilla was the daughter of an officer on the base where Elvis was stationed in Germany. I believe she was 16 when they met. Jerry Lee married his young cousin. Neither Elvis nor Jerry Lee pretended to be a religious leader much less a prophet like Muhammed did.

Ahh, come on. Elvis sung Gospel music. He should get some credit.

But that Jerry Lee Lewis… He is another matter.

Besides, I think Elvis is alive.

 

[Damascus]

drabruzzi.com/elvis_the_divine.htm

Now you tell me- Elvis is or is not a saint?

How about did Elvis have better Morality than Muhhamed?

You betcha he did.

Saint Elvis, pray for us!

 

[Damascus]

You guys do know I am kidding about Elvis being a Saint right?

But, I’ll bet he is in heaven. Singing with the angels.

 

[Lance]

You guys do know I am kidding about Elvis being a Saint right?

But, I’ll bet he is in heaven. Singing with the angels.

If he is heaven he is a saint. But, I know what you mean and I do think he did a lot of good in his life and just got messed up in the end. I hope he is in either heaven or purgatory and that I will see him in heaven someday.

 

[mark_a]

Simple question, does such a teaching come from mere human “common sense” and understanding?Jesus: "You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you salute only your brethren, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?

-St Matthew 5:43-47

I’m not sure I understand the question.

 

[mark_a]

Hello All,

My Opinion as a muslim would be that Muhammed taught the same morality as Jesus ,Peace be upon them all .

The reason i think that is because they are prophets from teh same God.

However , Jesus had different missions than Muhammed. he was sent to believing people but ones who need reformation. He was not assigned to bring his message to the whole world but to the people of Israel.

This is a major difference.

. . . . . . . . .

Its silly, really silly to go around hunting for incidents and misinterpreting them in order to demonise the other.

Finally i say again. Whatever God sanctioned as Moral IS Moral. Just because Jesus didnt do it doesnt mean its wrong.

salam

Hastrman is trying to give some honest insight beyond shallow hate. God bless him.

Hello again Meedo,

Thank you for your thoughtful response.

I am wondering what your response is to Pope Benedict’s speech yesterday that included the following:

He began his speech, which ran over half an hour, by quoting a 14th-century Byzantine emperor, Manuel II Paleologus, in a conversation with a “learned Persian” on Christianity and Islam — “and the truth of both.” “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread the sword by the faith he preached,” the pope quoted the emperor, in a speech to 1,500 students and faculty.

For a Muslim, this is the jist of my question: Does Muhammed bring anything to the table that Jesus didn’t?

Speaking only for my own impressions of Islam, Jesus seems to be a “lesser” profit than Muhammed.

Thanks.

PS- Sorry, but I had to chop part of your above reply because it put my post over 5000 characters.