Yes, there was a ruling of the Magisterium on this matter:
No, because the International Theological Commission is a group of 30 Catholic theologians which work as an advisory commission for the Holy See. This is not the ruling of the Church on the matter of Limbo.
Included in that statement is that God desires the salvation of all men.
Indeed. But most are still not saved.
Included in that statement is that we don’t have all the answers yet. The Church will not teach that these unbaptised infants go to hell. And Limbo is not the solution.
Indeed, limbo is not a doctrine. I never said that it is and I agree with the document on this particular matter. However, as I said, I will not believe that God has some other means of salvation for infants because there is no prove of that. Everything we know suggests that he doesn’t. I do not reject the possibility but that is in my opinion not enough to reject Limbo.
Same with my firemen. He is not saved by good works. He merited it after accepting the Actual Grace to run in to save another. To say that God held back additional graces is not proven. He merited heaven by virtue of his perfect love. Charity infused into his soul - in other words that premiere virtue which comes with sanctifying grace. He loved his neigbor perfectly, and so loved God perfectly. This was not a good work, like some kindness. When I say a perfect act of contrition it is that because of the motivation - perfect love of God. It removes my sins before absolution.
Ok, I don’t mean to sound rude, but this was answered many times. I will say it once more:
HE WAS AN ATHEIST! As an atheist
HE REJECTED GOD. He
DIDN’T LOVE GOD, perfectly or imperfectly.
You are contradicting yourself. Either he was touched by his grace, accepted God and his grace and through perfect love towards God, perfect contrition and at least implicit desire to be baptized he was saved (baptism of desire).
Or he was an atheist.
Which one is it?
You have not stated to me that this man goes to hell, when we know God desires the salvation of all. According to you, he cannot be saved.
As an Atheist he doesn’t get saved. You said he was and atheist and I follow your terms. As I said, while God desires salvation of ALL, not many make it. This has been a unchanging message throughout the centuries. The Bible teaches it and most of the saints I know taught that. Or just read what Our Lady of Fatima said to the Children. Or simply look the world around yourself.
As for Scripture: the New Testament and the Epistles speak overwhelmingly of the need for love of neighbor. There is not enough room for me to quote to you verses on charity. Some of your verses are non-revelant. You lump perfect charity into a kindness I might do to my neighbor. The man paid a price, the perfect price: his own life to save the life of another.’
- Perfect charity, that is supernatural would mean that the person was not an atheist. This would contradict your previous statements.
- The Bible speaks about love and charity, but it doesn’t say that simply by loving and being charitable we will get saved. There is much more to that. And when it comes to supernatural charity, as you were reminded many times, you need faith.
- You some of my verses are not relevant. Fine, but you need to prove that.
BTW, that link will not say that the Church teaches that those unbaptized infants go to hell. Theologians are free to work on a solution, but Limbo is not it, neither is saying they go to hell the solution. Limbo is gone; give us something else.
First, you are wrong, as I’ve shown above.
Second of all, they go either to hell or heaven. Limbo is part of hell. If they don’t go to hell then they go to heaven. Does the Church teaches that unbaptized infants go to heaven? No. If she doesn’t teach that, then how can you rule out hell? You must accept the possibility of hell if we can’t believe in Limbo (as you mistakenly claim) then we must unfortunately go for the full-blown hell, which includes torments.
An athesist can’t have perfect love? Pure nonsense. Talk about your heresies…
Where does the Church teaches that an Atheist can have perfect love, which by your definition involves love to God? The burden of proof is on you.
A sinner can have perfect contrition; so can an atheist.
No, impossible. Perfect contrition is defined as sorrow for sins that rises from the love of God Who has been offended. And atheist cannot love God, Who he rejects! This is logical.
That I am saying this perfect contrition, are you saying I am saying I am saved by good works? That there is no process of grace going on here. Of course there is.
Still, he is an atheist.
