Does the bible have any Infant Baptism passage?

[AmyS]

SPOKENWORD:

Amy ,you forgot the candles,and the white robe. God Bless.

What white robe? She was wearing a pretty white dress

 

[AmyS]

ahimsaman72:

I’m sorry, dear friend. I didn’t mean to sound harsh with you. I was not offended at all. Yes, the rosary and crucifixes were missing from my daughters dedication. We do not venerate Mary at all in the Baptist faith. I was just pointing out our ceremony. I’m actually surprised to hear that children are given Bibles at their baptism. That is comforting. I mean no harm to you at all.

Blessings to you and your family…

Thank you for saying vererate Mary and not worship, by the way… All and all I wish that all people would take their faith and religon more seriously… My priest instructs us to read the bible all the time… And, I do, I read it with my daughter. I find much comfort in the word of God. Blessings to you and your family too…

 

[ahimsaman72]

AmyS:

Thank you for saying vererate Mary and not worship, by the way… All and all I wish that all people would take their faith and religon more seriously… My priest instructs us to read the bible all the time… And, I do, I read it with my daughter. I find much comfort in the word of God. Blessings to you and your family too…

Oh yes, I realize there is a difference. I don’t believe she is “worshipped” by you. I realize that you honor her and revere her. It’s that you do it on a level that we Baptists do not. That’s very good that you are serious in your faith and pass it on to your daughter. That is most pleasing to God. She will grow up to respect your attention to her spiritual growth. I’m sure of it.

God bless…

By the way, you can now say there’s a Baptist in the world that thinks you are Christian too - and a fellow member of the body of Christ. I realize there are differences that divide us, but we cannot be divided fully from Christ - the head of the church.

I wish you peace and joy this Christmas season.

 

[jphilapy]

Fiat:

Dear SPOKENWORD:

Can you be a little more specific. According to your beliefs, how does one “draw from the spirit.”
In faith,
Fiat

How do you draw from the Spirit? By reciving the Spirit? How do you receive the Spirit? By Faith.

Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them, even as on us at the beginning.

Act 11:16 And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit.

Act 11:17 If then God gave unto them the like gift as he did also unto us, when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I, that I could withstand God?

BTW: If one can receive the Spirit, which is the Life of Christ for us, without water, then how can the regenreative power be in the water?

Jeff

 

[AmyS]

ahimsaman72:

Oh yes, I realize there is a difference. I don’t believe she is “worshipped” by you. I realize that you honor her and revere her. It’s that you do it on a level that we Baptists do not. That’s very good that you are serious in your faith and pass it on to your daughter. That is most pleasing to God. She will grow up to respect your attention to her spiritual growth. I’m sure of it.

God bless…

By the way, you can now say there’s a Baptist in the world that thinks you are Christian too - and a fellow member of the body of Christ. I realize there are differences that divide us, but we cannot be divided fully from Christ - the head of the church.

I wish you peace and joy this Christmas season.

and

 

[Church_Militant]

SPOKENWORD:

How did the women at the well recieve the living water? Maybe Jesus was pouring it out from His Word and His Spirit.? God Bless.P/S I know that you are a very mature Christian and I understand your trend of thought.

SAY WHAT!??

Where in the world did you get this from? No wonder you’re always confused…Somebody has really fed you a load of something that certainly doesn’t sound like the Christianity that I know of. Makes me just say and then :banghead:

 

[SPOKENWORD]

AmyS:

What white robe? She was wearing a pretty white dress

Maybe not all churches give a white bib,[robe] but thats what my daughter was given. God Bless

 

[SPOKENWORD]

SAY WHAT!??

Where in the world did you get this from? No wonder you’re always confused…Somebody has really fed you a load of something that certainly doesn’t sound like the Christianity that I know of. Makes me just say and then :banghead:

Well at least you know about LOVE? God Bless.

 

[Church_Militant]

SPOKENWORD:

Well at least you know about LOVE? God Bless.

I asked you a very serious question. I expected an answer, not some remark that is really nothing more than a dodge.** Where exactly do you get this stuff you believe?** In the end I feel like you are not honestly interested in a real dialog.
I seek never to come accross as ridiculing you even though we obviously disagree & I feel that you simply bait us then blow off our answers as if we’re a collection of know-nothings & you have discovered the sum of all revelation.

Of course I know about love…but you never answered my question.
**Just exactly WHERE did you get the ideas you are espousing here? **You never site a source aside from the Bible & frankly so much of what you say is taken out of context of other passages that you seem to ignore. I find it disturbing that you ask questions, then accuse us of believing in illusions when you yourself are an ex-Catholic. My personal opinion (such as it is) is that you left the Faith because you ran into some preacher that has a smooth “new revelation” and interpretation of the Bible. I’ve seen it a ton of times. The last one I ran into was from Shepherd’s Chapel and was teaching that the original sin in the garden was that Eve had sex w/ the devil in the form of the serpent. When I asked him if he could show me where any of the early church fathers taught or believed what he was teaching he said sure, but never did, (because it patently cannot be done). You say you believe the Bible but you seem very selective in what parts you believe & just “read around” & ignore the passages that we validly site about the teachings of the Church that has been around for all 2,000 years of Christian history…and that you have abandoned.

 

[Fiat]

Dear Jphilaphy:

Thank you for the isolated scripture passages. I have some for you, as well. In Acts Chapter 19, Paul meets people who the Bible identifies as “disciples” and “believers”. Paul asked them if they had received the Holy Spirit. The believers said that they have not. Paul asked if they were baptized. (Here, isn’t it fair to imply that Paul would expect them to receive the Holy Spirit had they been baptized, or else why would we ask them if they had been baptized?). The believers say they were baptized with John’s baptism. (Note that when Paul asked if they had been baptized, the believers recognized Paul was referring to a water baptism). When Paul told them that John’s baptism was not sufficient, Paul baptized the believers and laid hands on them. It is only at this point that the believers received the Holy Spirit.

Acts 19:1-7:

And it came to pass that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, he said unto them, “Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?” And they said unto him, "We have not so much heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, "Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, “Unto John’s baptism.” Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them: and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. And all the men were about twelve.

In Jesus and Mary

Fiat

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Fiat:

Dear Jphilaphy:

Thank you for the isolated scripture passages. I have some for you, as well. In Acts Chapter 19, Paul meets people who the Bible identifies as “disciples” and “believers”. Paul asked them if they had received the Holy Spirit. The believers said that they have not. Paul asked if they were baptized. (Here, isn’t it fair to imply that Paul would expect them to receive the Holy Spirit had they been baptized, or else why would we ask them if they had been baptized?). The believers say they were baptized with John’s baptism. (Note that when Paul asked if they had been baptized, the believers recognized Paul was referring to a water baptism). When Paul told them that John’s baptism was not sufficient, Paul baptized the believers and laid hands on them. It is only at this point that the believers received the Holy Spirit. ______________________________________________________
Hi Fiat, Those believers recieved Johns baptism, which was for repentence for the had not recieved the baptism of Jesus,s Spirit. Thats where Paul then lays hands on them and they recieve the Holy Spirit as in Pentacost.[This was not a water baptism] but a baptism of the Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues.Johns baptism was part of the formula in recieving the FULLNESS of the Gift of Salvation. God Bless.

 

[Fiat]

Good morning, SPOKENWORD:

Thank you for the response, but isn’t it clear to you that the mere act of “believing” alone is NOT sufficient to receive the Holy Spirit, or to “draw from the living waters,” as you indicated a few posts back.

Also, your answer raises another hurdle for you. Do you now agree with the Catholic position that the act of laying on of hands is SACRAMENTAL in nature?

Also, what evidence do you have to suggest that Paul did not baptize these “believers” with water. When Paul talked to them about baptism previously, the “believers” understand Paul to reference a water baptism since that’s what John’s baptism involved.

Finally, the fact the believers spoke in tongues is evidence of the Holy Spirit working in their lives, but the act of speaking in tongues is not the CAUSE of the Holy Spirit working in their lives. What I’m interested in knowing is what you think allows for the Holy Spirit to work in our lives. You indicated that “believing in Jesus as Lord,” is the cause, but doesn’t this event in Acts contradict you?

In faith,
Fiat

 

[SPOKENWORD]

SAY WHAT!??

Where in the world did you get this from? No wonder you’re always confused…Somebody has really fed you a load of something that certainly doesn’t sound like the Christianity that I know of. Makes me just say and then :banghead:

Hi CM. I didnt mean to make it difficult to see what Im talking about. When Jesus Spoke to this women His Words penatrated her soul like streams of living water. Jesus words spoke conviction and truth. This Women recognized Gods Spirit after Jesus spoke to her and drew this living water by FAITH. Im sorry, I really didnt mean to confuse you. Next time I will speak to you in words that you will understand. God Bless.

 

[Fiat]

Dear SPOKENWORD:

You said:

This Women recognized Gods Spirit after Jesus spoke to her and drew this living water by FAITH

If what you’re saying is true, then how do you reconcile your opinions with the truth of Scripture in Acts 19 regarding the “believers” who believed but did not receive the Holy Spirit until they were baptized and Paul had confirmed them by laying on his hands.

Please see my Post #172.

In Faith,
Fiat

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Fiat:

Good morning, SPOKENWORD:

Thank you for the response, but isn’t it clear to you that the mere act of “believing” alone is NOT sufficient to receive the Holy Spirit, or to “draw from the living waters,” as you indicated a few posts back.

Also, your answer raises another hurdle for you. Do you now agree with the Catholic position that the act of laying on of hands is SACRAMENTAL in nature?

Also, what evidence do you have to suggest that Paul did not baptize these “believers” with water. When Paul talked to them about baptism previously, the “believers” understand Paul to reference baptism since that’s what John’s baptism involved.

Finally, the fact the believers spoke in tongues is evidence of the Holy Spirit working in their lives, but the act of speaking in tongues is not the CAUSE of the Holy Spirit working in their lives. What I’m interested in knowing is what you think allows for the Holy Spirit to work in our lives. You indicated that “believing in Jesus as Lord,” is the cause, but doesn’t this event in Acts contradict you? __________________________________________ Good Mourning Fiat, Yes repentence was not enough[Johns Baptism].Jesus Baptism was the final step. Yes ,Laying on of hands are for christians.For we have been given this power by the Holy Spirit.God choses to whom this gift is given. This gift is spiritual and comes from God. No, tongues are not the cause but the evidence of recieving the Holy Spirit. Laying on of Hands[2hands] is what it says. Try baptising with water while laying on hands. Is there evidence of Paul using water in this example of the believers? As far as allowing the Holy Spirit to work in our lives what is required is our actions to change.God Bless

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Fiat:

Dear SPOKENWORD:

You said:
If what you’re saying is true, then how do you reconcile your opinions with the truth of Scripture in Acts 19 regarding the “believers” who believed but did not receive the Holy Spirit until they were baptized and Paul had confirmed them by laying on his hands.

Please see my Post #172.

In Faith,
Fiat

You see this women was convicted by the Holy Spirit and she repented and believed that Jesus was Lord and Savior. Here you see an example of the living water that Jesus talkes about. It was spiritual water and not physical water like in water baptism. God Bless

 

[Fiat]

Dear SPOKENWORD:

You stated:

As far as allowing the Holy Spirit to work in our lives what is required is our actions to change

Do I correctly understand you to say that now, salvation is a process of WORKS since it is based on our ACTIONS, as you stated?

I agree with you that Laying on of Hands is what it says. Paul laid his hands on the believers, and after that te believers received the Holy Ghost. Yu had previously insisted all we needed to do was “believe in order to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit.” Are you now changing your position in light of the fact that the BELIEF of these men in Acts was not sufficient?

In faith,
Fiat

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Fiat:

Dear SPOKENWORD:

You said:
If what you’re saying is true, then how do you reconcile your opinions with the truth of Scripture in Acts 19 regarding the “believers” who believed but did not receive the Holy Spirit until they were baptized and Paul had confirmed them by laying on his hands.

Please see my Post #172.

In Faith,
Fiat

Those believers only repented and had not recieved Jesus Baptism for they did not know any Holy Spirit[JESUS]at Johns baptism.God Bless.

 

[Fiat]

But the Bible specifically refers to those men as “disciples” and “believers.” Clearly, “belief” is not enough to allow for the “baptism of the Holy Spirit,” as you would have us believe (pun intended).

In Faith,
Fiat

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Fiat:

Dear SPOKENWORD:

You stated:
Do I correctly understand you to say that now, salvation is a process of WORKS since it is based on our ACTIONS, as you stated?

I agree with you that Laying on of Hands is what it says. Paul laid his hands on the believers, and after that te believers received the Holy Ghost. Yu had previously insisted all we needed to do was “believe in order to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit.” Are you now changing your position in light of the fact that the BELIEF of these men in Acts was not sufficient?

In faith,
Fiat

Repent and believe is what I said. Salvation is a Gift.Change is the result of the Gift.God Bless.