Does the Book of Mormon contain the fullness of the gospel?

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Lemuel said:
I don’t need to discredit him. He does it fine on his own. Doesn’t even know what age he was or who he saw. I think if I had had such a fantastic vision, I would remember who was there.

I’m only ashamed that I bought into that hoax for so many years.
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Yes, his words discredit him all on their own. But remember, even Joseph Smith’s mother said he had an active imagination.

I am ashamed that they continue to promote the Book of Mormon as “another testament of Jesus Christ.” There is one word I hesitate to bring up here. But anyone who reads the true written Word of God and then reads the Book of Mormon will recognize it immediately.
 
It was the Holy Ghost. I will personal to me and so I am not going to reveal here what it said to me.
 
CourtingTex said:
Discrediting the Prophet Joseph Smith is nothing new so nice try on your part.
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It is science and history that discredits Joseph Smith. As a scientific fact the Book of Mormon is not what Joseph Smith claimed it to be. If a ghost tells you otherwise, it is not the Holy Ghost.
 
CourtingTex said:
Your notion that “active members are required” to believe what they hear from the prophet or the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints shows you are ignorant.
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The Mormon President being more vital than the standard works, and Mormon history tell me that no one thing in Mormonism can contain the “fullness of the Gospel” because it is ever changing.
But then again, the words of Ezra Benson may have changed.
Ezra Taft Benson; Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet 2/26/1980
First: The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
Second: The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
Third: The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
Fourth: The prophet will never lead the Church astray.
Fifth: The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
Sixth: The prophet does not have to say “Thus saith the Lord” to give us scripture.
Seventh: The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
Eighth: The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
Ninth: The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
Tenth: The prophet may be involved in civic matters.
Eleventh: The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
Twelfth: The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
Thirteenth: The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
Fourteenth: The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed; reject them and suffer.
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Your list does not confirm my point, which is regardless what is said, members have to receive confirmation that it is true. Otherwise, in my view we would be like Catholics who buy, hook and sinker everything that comes from Rome, the local bishop, or their priest without seeking confirmation?
 
If it turned him against the Catholic Church, it definitely wasn’t the Holy Ghost. The Holy Spirit would have led him away from Mormonism not to it.
 
CourtingTex said:
Your list does not confirm my point, which is regardless what is said, members have to receive confirmation that it is true.
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It is not MY list. It is Ezra Taft Benson’s list. He was a President of the Mormon Church and his list does not include you requiring a ‘confirmation.’

When the President, Joseph Smith, said the Book of Mormon was about the source of ALL American Indians, the Mormon membership believed him.
When the President, Joseph Smith, said God was a spirit, the Mormon membership believed he was a spirit.
When the President said to practice polygamy, the Mormon membership practiced polygamy.
When the President said blacks cannot hold the priesthood, the Mormon membership withheld the priesthood for blacks.

When the President said the Book of Mormon was about the source of a FEW American Indians, the Mormon membership believed him.
When the President, Joseph Smith, said God was of flesh and bone, the Mormon membership believed he was of flesh and bone.
When the President said to stop practicing polygamy, the Mormon membership stopped practicing polygamy.
When the President said blacks can hold the priesthood, the Mormon membership stopped withholding the priesthood for blacks.

I’m sure in the near future when the Mormon President says the Book of Mormon is an allegory to conform with science, the Mormon membership with believe him, or ‘confirm’ it to use your word.
 
lilypadrees said:
If it turned him against the Catholic Church, it definitely wasn’t the Holy Ghost. The Holy Spirit would have led him away from Mormonism not to it.
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I think Mormon history leads people out of Mormonism and Christian history leads people to the Catholic Church.

For Catholics there is one truth. Mormonism have to live in a world of many different truths.
 
The Mormons have a hymn, the fourth verse which says:

Then say, what is truth? 'Tis the last and the first,
For the limits of time it steps o’er.
Tho the heavens depart and the earth’s fountains burst,
Truth, the sum of existence, will weather the worst,
Eternal, unchanged, evermore.

I don’t know how they can even have it in their hymnal. Their version of truth is anything but timeless, Eternal, or unchanged.
 
CourtingTex said:
Otherwise, in my view we would be like Catholics who buy, hook and sinker everything that comes from Rome, the local bishop, or their priest without seeking confirmation?
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I recall that you’ve been corrected on this before.

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

1785 In the formation of conscience the Word of God is the light for our path, we must assimilate it in faith and prayer and put it into practice. We must also examine our conscience before the Lord’s Cross. We are assisted by the gifts of the Holy Spirit, aided by the witness or advice of others and guided by the authoritative teaching of the Church.
 
Stephen168 said:
I’m sure in the near future when the Mormon President says the Book of Mormon is an allegory to conform with science, the Mormon membership with believe him, or ‘confirm’ it to use your word.
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Since we’re way off the topic anyway, JS was born in 1805. In 2005 the LDS president bore his testimony to various unique LDS teachings. In 2013 someone noticed that in the span of 8 years the president hadn’t bore his testimony with regards to the unique things of Mormonism. I don’t know if he has ever bore his testimony or not with regards to the unique things of Mormonism or not since 2013.
 
No.

Despite John 1:1-18 stating in no uncertain terms that Jesus IS God, the Mormon Religion rejects the Trinity and believes that Jesus was but a mortal.
 
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Yes, if Mormons take the time to actually study their church’s history as we have studied and continue to study ours.
 
BornInMarch said:
Despite John 1:1-18 stating in no uncertain terms that Jesus IS God, the Mormon Religion rejects the Trinity and believes that Jesus was but a mortal.
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Actually, as a former Mormon I was always taught that Jesus was half Divine because of his father and half mortal because of his mother. Very similar to my understanding of Catholicism.
 
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The difference is that Mormons don’t believe that Jesus is God. They believe He was a mortal who became a god after the other gods voted Him in.

Jesus was born with 2 natures, one fully Divine and the other, fully human. How can He have 2 full natures? That’s something I try not to think about. I just believe and accept it as Truth because He is the Word made flesh who dwelt among us.
 
lilypadrees said:
Jesus was born with 2 natures, one fully Divine and the other, fully human.
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To be honest, the Mormons might agree with you on that. I’m not sure. Funny, but that’s just not something that I gave that much thought to when I was LDS. Mormons don’t talk that much about the nature of God or Jesus Christ, but they can tell you everything about Joseph Smith and Brigham Young–at least all the good stuff.
 
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