Does the Book of Mormon contain the fullness of the gospel?

[hope]

You are factually mistaken
Court notes from 1826

He was found guilty. I cannot understand anyone reading the court notes of his convicted fraud would not look at his claim of “translating” a book and would not be struck with the similarities of the two frauds.

 

[lilypadrees]

I’ve found that what they say they believe and what they actually believe are not the same thing. Same with their teachings.

 

[CourtingTex]

What is your confirmed source about his supposed guilt? The Prophet Joseph Smith was unfortunately under assault by enemies of the church.

The Book of Mormon is another witness of Jesus Christ. The continued assault on the Prophet Joseph Smith to me is useless and no one here will convince me to think of him in a negative manner.

 

[Lemuel]

The Prophet Joseph Smith was unfortunately under assault by enemies of the church.

He was under a lot of assault from men who were more than a little ticked off that he kept hitting on their wives.

 

[Benadam]

I agree. And this set off a persecution experience for the community that believe Joseph Smith. A purely earhly persecution mistaken for divine but never the less one with power to bind. Imo

 

[Lemuel]

The continued assault on the Prophet Joseph Smith to me is useless and no one here will convince me to think of him in a negative manner.

This is a Catholic forum and this is a non-Catholic category where we are invited to talk about things non-Catholic. I think it’s totally appropriate to discuss our concerns about other religions here. If it offends you, then perhaps you shouldn’t be reading here. I know the kinds of things that Mormons say behind closed doors about the Catholics and I wouldn’t recommend my Catholic friends hearing that either.

 

[CourtingTex]

Your claim that he was “hitting on” women outside of the church I have no evidence to back such a claim. Polygamy was a commandment of God so if you wish to question God, that is your choice to do, nonetheless the brethren at the time were willing to have more than one wive, among the Latter Day Saints only.

 

[Lemuel]

Your claim that he was “hitting on” women outside of the church I have no evidence to back such a claim. Polygamy was a commandment of God so if you wish to question God, that is your choice to do, nonetheless the brethren at the time were willing to have more than one wive, among the Latter Day Saints only.

I never said he was hitting on women outside of the church. He was hitting on women inside the church, though. That’s pretty well documented, but you wouldn’t read it so I won’t bother pointing you there. I’ve already addressed the polygamy thing with you and posted a series of questions and comments, none of which you have replied to, so until you are up to addressing any of them, it’s kind of useless for us to continue. Hitting on married women is not what polygamy is about. I have never said that polygamy was even wrong. I have only commented on the way they practiced it. I have pointed out that it was not God’s way as outlined in the D&C. And you consistently ignore the fact that he was involved in polyandry to a large extent. Where in the scriptures does God allow polyandry?

 

[Benadam]

The first polygamist in scripture(Gen) is Lamech seventh generator of Cain’s line. He is an archetype of sin coming to a head. He said “vengance for Cain 7 times” "vengence for Lamech is 70 times 7.

 

[hope]

I provided a link

 

[Stephen168]

What is your confirmed source about his supposed guilt? The Prophet Joseph Smith was unfortunately under assault by enemies of the church.

If you would have looked at the provided source link, you would have noticed he was convicted before he started the Mormon Church. Therefore, there were no enemies outside “the church.”

 

[CourtingTex]

Again, I have said this before — this was a commandment of God. A COMMANDMENT. That is reply. Period. Your attempt to make the Prophet Joseph Smith out to be some sexual monster is offensive, particularly when you claim to understand why polygamy occurred.

I personally believe this a continued assault on the church and the Prophet Joseph Smith, which what is new these days.

 

[Lemuel]

Again, I have said this before — this was a commandment of God. A COMMANDMENT.

Show me where he was commanded to enter into polyandry. I’ve shown you where polyandry was forbidden by revelation.

I would dare guess that I was a member of the LDS church for many many more years than you and understand the doctrines much better. That’s just my guess.

 

[lilypadrees]

You don’t have to think of Joseph Smith in a negative manner. But please, take the time to learn the TRUTH about him. The only people who view him as a prophet are Mormons. Those who have done their research know better.

As for the Book of Mormon being another testament of Jesus Christ, where is your proof of this claim? Why should we believe Mormons when they make this claim? As I have said several times, there is one word I’m hesitant to post here without consent of the CAF moderators. All anyone has to do is read the Holy Bible, the true written Word of God (Jesus is the Word of God incarnate) and then compare it with the BoM along with the dates each was written. And your claim is proven false.

To put it kindly, what the Book of Mormon really contains is fantasy from the imagination of Joseph Smith with some not so fanciful rewriting (by Joseph Smith) of several books of the Bible, which may or may not have given him the idea later on to write his own version of the Bible.

 

[CourtingTex]

Your view that I should know the “truth” about Joseph Smith validates to me further that you are a critic of him and the church and the Book of Mormon. If you wish to try to convince folks willing to believe or listen to you that my church is what you claim, that is your choice.

That does not mean that it is true. Going back to the beginning of the church to this day, the enemies of the church continue their effort to show a willing world what the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is really about and what is really, according to their false notions. My guess you are a former member, now a enemy or one who has never been a member whose efforts are to show that my church is no good, etc etc.

I am fortunate that I was never exposed to these views prior my becoming a member years ago.

Again, you can make your false notions known — that is your choice. Does not mean any of it is true and accurate.

 

[Lemuel]

I am fortunate that I was never exposed to these views prior my becoming a member years ago.

Of course you weren’t. Mormons are still trying to sweep that stuff under the rug.

A year ago is all? You’ve got an eye opening journey ahead of you, my friend, at least if you’re open to hearing the truth.

 

[Lemuel]

the enemies of the church continue their effort to show a willing world what the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is really about and what is really, according to their false notions.

What false notions? Are the records of your own church false? That’s where most of these “false notions” come from.

 

[lilypadrees]

Actually, I did most of my in depth research on him and all of Mormonism after speaking with Mormons on Amazon. Anything I critique comes from having spent many sleepless nights doing in depth research to learn the truth after listening to them. Let’s just say that the things I found out about Joseph Smith and about your religion do not agree with Christianity.

To put it kindly, Mormonism is an entirely different planet that if I were to become a member of, would mean I had to deny Jesus, my Lord and Savior, and the truth that is found in the Holy Bible, the true written Word of God.

Your church teaches that Lucifer and Jesus are brothers. Please don’t bother denying it. It’s on your church’s website along with a number of other things your church denies teaching. The teachings can be accessed by anyone who diligently seeks them.

I don’t have to convince anyone to listen to me,Courting Tex. I always encourage anyone who wants to know the truth about your church or anyone else’s to do the research for themselves.

There was a time, Courting Tex, when I briefly considered becoming a Mormon. At that time, I believed that in order to research a religion, you had to become a member of that religion. The BoM changed that for me. Perhaps if you had researched further, you wouldn’t be a member today.

 

[CourtingTex]

Who are these members to back up your claim? Are you suggesting or stating with fact that church headquarters is party to what you claim? Headquarters, of course not. As far as I am concerned, whatever may come out is more false nonsense to show folks like that the church is whatever, according to our enemies.

I am not worried at all.

My priorities are to remain loyal and active to the church ---- you critics and your effort is the least of my interest.

 

[Lemuel]

My priorities are to remain loyal and active to the church ---- you critics and your effort is the least of my interest.

You spend a lot of time talking to people who you have no interest in!

And yes, I’m referring to church headquarters. They have been covering up stuff for decades. It’s like Elder Packer said, “Some things that are true are not very useful.” It’s part of the coverup.

You’re young in the church. I trust that you’ll figure it out. And if not, enjoy your ride into the wild blue yonder of Mormonism. Santa Claus is still real in the minds of millions.

(You’re finished with me? )