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jediliz
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To add to your post:
Matthew 7:15
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves."
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Matthew 7:15
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves."
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lilypadrees
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So anyone who disagrees with Mormons and their beliefs is an “enemy”? How sad that you and your fellow Mormons would feel that way. Yes, other Mormons feel the same way you do.
I’ve disagreed with many Protestants about their views of the Catholic Church. But never once did I view them as the “enemy.”
Lemuel knows what he’s talking about. He used to be a Mormon. You really should listen to him.
I’ve disagreed with many Protestants about their views of the Catholic Church. But never once did I view them as the “enemy.”
Lemuel knows what he’s talking about. He used to be a Mormon. You really should listen to him.
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CourtingTex
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OK, they are critics.
Anyone not friendly to my church is a critic.
Anyone not friendly to my church is a critic.
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Horton
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And then they turn around and use verse 16 to “prove” the LDS is true. “16 By their fruits you will know them”
Ironic isn’t it?
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lilypadrees
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It certainly says alot about them. But not the message they think it does.
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lilypadrees
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No, just looking at things realistically.
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CourtingTex
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What do you mean, realistically? Are you suggesting that the leadership continues to advance lies they know are lies about the church?
I know that is not the case, because I understand the continued assault to destroy the church and slow or stop its mission, by those former Mormons who “claim to know the truth” or those who have never been a member, who get just as much enjoyment trying to discredit the church.
I know that is not the case, because I understand the continued assault to destroy the church and slow or stop its mission, by those former Mormons who “claim to know the truth” or those who have never been a member, who get just as much enjoyment trying to discredit the church.
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Raxus
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It is 100% true. Mormons are not Christians.
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Raxus
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Hit the nail right on the head there.
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Raxus
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You could try logically, historically and philosophically refuting some of those criticisms.
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lilypadrees
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By “realistically,” I mean objectively. You do not see the church you belong to the way an outsider does because you belong to that church. Those of us who are outside the Mormon faith see things differently. We are able to look at it from all sides whereas you see things from one view, the view of one who belongs to that church and doesn’t like to see it spoken of in a negative manner.
No one is trying to destroy your church, Courting Tex. We just want you to have all the facts. You are young in that church and very impressionable. How much study did you really do before joining? How did you know that the LDS church was the right one for you? Were you swayed by the words of Mormon missionaries who stopped you on the street or came to your house? Did you want to join because a friend of yours was a member or someone you admired was and you wanted to be like them?
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lilypadrees
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I told you before, Courting Tex, that God had given me a personal revelation in the Southern Baptist church I was in at the time. I had been raised in both Catholic and Protestant churches because I had one parent of each faith. I had already been confirmed in the Catholic Church at age 7. It was the only Church I wanted to be a member of. But after my family relocated, I went to different Protestant churches while my Protestant mother searched for the nearest Catholic Church.
There were many conflicting teachings in these Protestant churches. I did much soul searching and praying and asked God which church HE wanted me to be a member of. (Protestant churches are more easily accessible than Catholic Churches here and we didn’t have transportation at the time.)
God had tugged at my heart to return exclusively to the Catholic Church since we moved from our old home where the nearest Catholic Church had only been 2 blocks away. That day, I was sitting in the pew at the Southern Baptist church. The pastor said, “Let’s all bow our heads as we pray to the Lord.” I bowed my head expecting things to be as they always had in that church. But it wasn’t. I gasped as all of a sudden, the Holy Spirit showed me the hearts and minds of the members of the congregation. People I thought I knew and had always felt were shing examples of Christianity. And here I was seeing their hearts and hearing their thoughts in my head. And none of them were thoughts of God.
After that revelation, I left that church and never went back. God answered my prayers for us to have transportation to the nearest Catholic Church. He gave me a priest and associate pastor who had the Holy Spirit radiating through them. Not only did I return to the Catholic Church but my mother who hated going to church resumed going with me to Mass. The first day she accompanied me the choir was singing “In The Garden,” a song that has never been sung there since but told my mother that her daddy was glad she was back in Church.
God answered another prayer when after attending Mass with me for a number of years, my mother became Catholic herself. She credits God and our now late priest, Father Philip Breen with bringing her into the Church and our dear Father John with making things official.
There were many conflicting teachings in these Protestant churches. I did much soul searching and praying and asked God which church HE wanted me to be a member of. (Protestant churches are more easily accessible than Catholic Churches here and we didn’t have transportation at the time.)
God had tugged at my heart to return exclusively to the Catholic Church since we moved from our old home where the nearest Catholic Church had only been 2 blocks away. That day, I was sitting in the pew at the Southern Baptist church. The pastor said, “Let’s all bow our heads as we pray to the Lord.” I bowed my head expecting things to be as they always had in that church. But it wasn’t. I gasped as all of a sudden, the Holy Spirit showed me the hearts and minds of the members of the congregation. People I thought I knew and had always felt were shing examples of Christianity. And here I was seeing their hearts and hearing their thoughts in my head. And none of them were thoughts of God.
After that revelation, I left that church and never went back. God answered my prayers for us to have transportation to the nearest Catholic Church. He gave me a priest and associate pastor who had the Holy Spirit radiating through them. Not only did I return to the Catholic Church but my mother who hated going to church resumed going with me to Mass. The first day she accompanied me the choir was singing “In The Garden,” a song that has never been sung there since but told my mother that her daddy was glad she was back in Church.
God answered another prayer when after attending Mass with me for a number of years, my mother became Catholic herself. She credits God and our now late priest, Father Philip Breen with bringing her into the Church and our dear Father John with making things official.
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Raxus
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This about sums it up. The Mormon church as it exists today is nothing more than a control / moneymaking scheme; and they’re ruthless in pursuit of that money and power, too.
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Lemuel
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Absolutely they do. Here are two examples of many:
Time Magazine Interview of Gordon B. Hinckley, August 4, 1997
Question: “Is this the teaching of the church today, that God the Father was once a man like we are?”
Hinckley: “I don’t know that we teach it. I don’t know that we emphasize it. I haven’t heard it discussed for a long time in public discourse. I don’t know. I don’t know all the circumstances under which that statement was made. I understand the philosophical background behind it. But I don’t know a lot about it and I don’t know that others know a lot about it.”
Here’s another:
I went through the temple MANY times and took the blood oaths. His answer was a bald-face lie.
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lilypadrees
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Sadly, I came to that same conclusion when they said they don’t believe in the Trinity and that Lucifer is the brother of Jesus. Plus, thier gross misunderstanding of Scripture.
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Lemuel
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And here’s an example of Mormon leaders counseling the members to lie:
From 2008 General Conference, Elder Dallin Oaks, the talk called Testimony:
Another way to seek a testimony seems astonishing when compared with the methods of obtaining other knowledge. We gain or strengthen a testimony by bearing it. Someone even suggested that some testimonies are better gained on the feet bearing them than on the knees praying for them.
Astounding. He’s a retired judge and attorney. He would know better than anyone else that giving a testimony of something that you don’t have knowledge of or witnessed is called perjury.
We call that a lie.
From 2008 General Conference, Elder Dallin Oaks, the talk called Testimony:
Another way to seek a testimony seems astonishing when compared with the methods of obtaining other knowledge. We gain or strengthen a testimony by bearing it. Someone even suggested that some testimonies are better gained on the feet bearing them than on the knees praying for them.
Astounding. He’s a retired judge and attorney. He would know better than anyone else that giving a testimony of something that you don’t have knowledge of or witnessed is called perjury.
We call that a lie.
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Melodeonist
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Of course the Book of Mormon doesn’t contain the fullness of the Gospel. Mormonism is a false faith with a book written by a madman who got “inspired” by a hat. That’s just absurd. 
Sure, there might be tiny, tiny sand grain sized bits of the true Word of God there, but otherwise the Book of Mormon is just as trustworthy as a tabloid.
Sure, there might be tiny, tiny sand grain sized bits of the true Word of God there, but otherwise the Book of Mormon is just as trustworthy as a tabloid.
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Lemuel
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I think he was inspired by skirts. The rock in his hat was a way of getting there.
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Melodeonist
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Oh man! That only adds to the absurdity! 
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CourtingTex
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I could that — my time better used defending it as best I can.
The critics enjoy attacking the church because they have issues with the mission of the church. I am not worried at all.
The critics enjoy attacking the church because they have issues with the mission of the church. I am not worried at all.
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