Does the Catholic Church accept Mormons as your brother and sisters in Christ?

[Xavierlives]

I wouldn’t be so quick to judge. Mormons are not leading people to hell. In fact, just the opposite. You need to study just how mormons live their daily lives. It is not so bad. They have morning and evening prayer as a family. They say a blessing over the food they eat. They read the scriptures daily, if possible and they attempt to obey the commandments.

Far from going to hell. No one gets a car…but they do help the poor and the needy with food if necessary. There are many things this world should be rid of, but mormons are not one of them.

Don’t get me wrong, I think I’d rather have a Mormon living next door to me than a family without faith, but that doesn’t mean I approve of their faith or include them in the Christian family.

Their church does quite a bit to help people and you’ll hardly ever see a Mormon on welfare. Some other faith’s could borrow some plays from their playbook. They can do these things because of their extensive tithing requirement (or else you can’t receive the benefits of the temple), their investments, the expectation that no one at a local ward will get paid a salary, and that the missionaries do their work gratis and live from their savings. This means a huge amount of money is being funnelled into Salt Lake City for them to disperse however they see fit.

But Jesus fed the 5000 with 5 loaves and 2 fish (and continues to feed us with them).

 

[ralphinal]

So, mueslims believe that Jesus Christ was never crucified? Or do they deny that he existed? Sorry confused…

And whats the deal with them having such a problem with Christians and the western world? I understand this is slightly off topic but one quick reply can answer my questions please

The Qur’an says that the Jews claim that they Crucified Jesus, but in fact he was not crucified and did not die on the cross. Muslims will range in opinion from Jesus was never crucified at all (an illusion or someone was put in his place), to he was crucified, but it was not the Jews who did it (rare claim some make, almost accepting that God allowed it).

The other part has no simple answer. I could write for days on it. Basically, most of the issue is money

 

[2nd_Adam]

Originally Posted by 2nd Adam
So, with your understanding, are people less accountable if they are ignorant of the gospel, and have a better chance to enter Heaven due to their ignorance of the gospel than those who hear the gospel and reject it?

Yes. To whom much is given much is expected.

Do you have a different understanding?

I’m not following your thoughts. In John 3, Scripture reveals that all are already condemned. God sent His Son to rescue sinners from their already condemned condition. Therefore, sinners are under the wrath of God, condemned for their sins and heading to Hell before they ever hear the good news of God proclaimed to them. Jesus Christ and Him crucified for sinners to bring them to God as their Heavenly Father by adoption through propitation is the great good news of God and not condemning bad news! It seems that you believe sinners are saved apart from Jesus Christ. If that’s true, Christ died in vain. The gospel in a nutshell is adoption through propitiation or 2 Cor 5:21.

 

[Charlotte408]

Don’t get me wrong, I think I’d rather have a Mormon living next door to me than a family without faith, but that doesn’t mean I approve of their faith or include them in the Christian family.

Their church does quite a bit to help people and you’ll hardly ever see a Mormon on welfare. QUOTE]



what the heck does that have to do with ANYTHING??? I’m on welfare thank you…

 

[Charlotte408]

The Qur’an says that the Jews claim that they Crucified Jesus, but in fact he was not crucified and did not die on the cross. Muslims will range in opinion from Jesus was never crucified at all (an illusion or someone was put in his place), to he was crucified, but it was not the Jews who did it (rare claim some make, almost accepting that God allowed it).

The other part has no simple answer. I could write for days on it. Basically, most of the issue is money

well it wasnt really the jews, it was the romans, right?? but even then, what reason would they have to argue his crucification?? If they dont BELIEVE in him, then what would it matter if he was crucified or not? sorry just writin’ where my thoughts are goin…

 

[Charlotte408]

Yes. To whom much is given much is expected.

Do you have a different understanding?

Thats what I was gettin’ at…If someone has not been given, the whole truth of Christ, they are held to a different standard…

like, guy A lives on an island. never speaks to anyone who knows anything about god, bible, christ, etc…he would be judged on how he lived his life…

but guy B knows better, been told all about it…he’s gonna be held to a higher standard than guy A…

in the end its not OUR place to judge, but only God’s, by whatever measure it is he uses…

Isnt that why they say its harder being a catholic? lol… because we have the fullness of the truth and therefore NO EXCUSES…

 

[SeanTom]

We are ALL adopted children of God, which makes us all brothers and sisters of Christ Jesus. We can not change that.

Perhaps some of you are interpreting the words “brothers and sisters” in a way that is not akin to the above teaching.

 

[ralphinal]

well it wasnt really the jews, it was the romans, right?? but even then, what reason would they have to argue his crucification?? If they dont BELIEVE in him, then what would it matter if he was crucified or not? sorry just writin’ where my thoughts are goin…

It has to do with Jesus being a prophet to them. According to Islam, God would not allow a prophet to die “a cursed death on a cross.” Plus, Jesus had prayed not to be crucified. Those two things together must mean that he was not killed on the cross.

Basically, since they deny the need for blood atonement, they cannot see why God would allow it. So, they say it did not happen

 

[tweetymom]

Xavierlives;5947430:

Don’t get me wrong, I think I’d rather have a Mormon living next door to me than a family without faith, but that doesn’t mean I approve of their faith or include them in the Christian family.

Their church does quite a bit to help people and you’ll hardly ever see a Mormon on welfare.

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what the heck does that have to do with ANYTHING??? I’m on welfare thank you…

You are welcome of course. It wasn’t meant personal.

 

[Charlotte408]

It has to do with Jesus being a prophet to them. According to Islam, God would not allow a prophet to die “a cursed death on a cross.” Plus, Jesus had prayed not to be crucified. Those two things together must mean that he was not killed on the cross.

Basically, since they deny the need for blood atonement, **they cannot see **why God would allow it. So, they say it did not happen

oh well thats really freakn smart…deny something because you dont understand it…

and wasnt it recorded in all kinds of historical documents? that many people witnessed the crucification??

oh man now I got a whole nuther thread to post!!! dratz…I’m never gonna have a life outside CAF! lol…

 

[ralphinal]

oh well thats really freakn smart…deny something because you dont understand it…

and wasnt it recorded in all kinds of historical documents? that many people witnessed the crucification??

oh man now I got a whole nuther thread to post!!! dratz…I’m never gonna have a life outside CAF! lol…

That is always a fun thread

 

[MadScot]

Their church does quite a bit to help people and you’ll hardly ever see a Mormon on welfare. Some other faith’s could borrow some plays from their playbook,
They can do these things because of their extensive tithing requirement (or else you can’t receive the benefits of the temple),

which is why UTAH has historically led the nation in bankruptcies.

their investments,

…such as the land the LDS Church owns in Missouri, for which it receives a sizeable amount of money for operating a questionable Drainage District and for which it receives rent from Station Casino in Kansas City, North, Missouri.

the expectation that no one at a local ward will get paid a salary,

…which means that they are part-time ministers who must split time between their jobs, families and ministries. As a son of a fomer lay-minister, I can tell you that it doesn’t work. Something suffers. Also, lay-ministers tend to be untrained in psychology and counseling, which makes for very poor ministers. It proves the adage that you get what you pay for.

and that the missionaries do their work gratis and live from their savings

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…which means that the missionaries pay for the privilege of drumming up more business for the LDS Church. Actually, the missionaries don’t live off of their savings. The Church puts them on an extremely inadequate food allowance that amounts to starvation wages.

This means a huge amount of money is being funnelled into Salt Lake City for them to disperse however they see fit.

…which very often involves real estate speculation and shopping center development.

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I would be very disapointed if the Catholic Church ever borrowed from the LDS Church’s playbook.

 

[dianaiad]

It really intrigues me about the belief by the mormons that there are three different gods who formed one divinity. They also believe that God the Father has a wife and their first born is Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit is the son of the heavenly parents!

How interesting, the way you put this…(and I mean interesting in an intriguing way, not in a sarcastic one) We do NOT believe that there are ‘three different gods that [form] one divinity.’ The words don’t quite fit. We believe that there are three different Beings in one Godhead (and having finetuned the difference, over the last few conversations regarding the Trinity, the use of the word 'Being" rather than 'Person" is deliberate) that share purpose and intent…and that…whatever it is…that makes all Three God. It is really difficult to be precise when it comes to describing the Trinity, and I get truly frustrated…because I honestly think that the Catholic view of it and the LDS view of it aren’t all that far apart, in substance. (I know. you may groan now.)

The REAL difference, and here it becomes very large, is the idea of the sonship of Christ, coupled with the idea of Christ being co-eternal with God. We do believe both things. We also part company in this: that we do NOT believe that angels, et. al., are separate creations, but are, rather, US, with specific jobs to do.

and we believe that we have always been around, too. We do not believe that God created everything ex nihilo, in other words.

Please can someone rid the world of this non-christian and false organization. Last year, I went to Western Samoa in the South Pacific and believe me this is spreading like hell fire in that country. I was told that they give material handouts (such as cars) to people just to lure them.

We DO? Wow. We are a lot richer than I thought! The only thing I ever offered anybody was a free Book of Mormon. Where have I been, and why didn’t I get in on any of this free car thingee?

This is a clear case of leading people to HELL.

Well, I agree with you…but perhaps we might not see eye to eye on who is doing the leading…

 

[2nd_Adam]

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Didn’t Brigham Young teach that there were men living on the moon or something along those lines? Doesn’t that have to do with Mormon men becoming gods on their own planet too with multipe wives? What happened to the gold plates which rescued apostate Chrisitanity, and restored the One True Church here on earth?

 

[Dancelittleewok]

I thought I’d budge in here and speak about the situation which borne this thread. Other posters questioned 2nd Adam, whom was saying that because Z (my nickname for zerius) is a Mormon he cannot participate in his thread because he is not a Christian as well calling Z to repent his Mormon beliefs and receive the gospel. Z had not only been quoting Sacred Scripture but the D and C as well against 2ndAdam’s posts. The other Catholic posters and I were calling 2nd Adam to charity (and answer our relevant questions as well) and benedict inquired about the Book of Mormon to better understand them and said something about accept him as a brother in Christ. Hence this thread is borne.

For my part, I was exhorting 2nd to Christian charity by treating Z with a dignity of a human person and let his voice be heard, even if it is another faith. CAF is not a forum that excludes other faiths but welcomes all even those that do not have faith.

I’m edified that benedict’s mistake has been corrected through this thread but I don’t appreciate our comments castigated when 2ndAdam still hasn’t answered the questions (see post #2 or #220) from his own thread.

If I have erred, then I say mea culpa, mea culpa…

 

[Xavierlives]

Xavierlives;5947430:

Don’t get me wrong, I think I’d rather have a Mormon living next door to me than a family without faith, but that doesn’t mean I approve of their faith or include them in the Christian family.

Their church does quite a bit to help people and you’ll hardly ever see a Mormon on welfare.

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what the heck does that have to do with ANYTHING??? I’m on welfare thank you…

It means they support their own. It isn’t an indictment of welfare or those who accept it.

 

[2nd_Adam]

I thought I’d budge in here and speak about the situation which borne this thread. Other posters questioned 2nd Adam, whom was saying that because Z (my nickname for zerius) is a Mormon he cannot participate in his thread because he is not a Christian as well calling Z to repent his Mormon beliefs and receive the gospel. Z had not only been quoting Sacred Scripture but the D and C as well against 2ndAdam’s posts. The other Catholic posters and I were calling 2nd Adam to charity (and answer our relevant questions as well) and benedict inquired about the Book of Mormon to better understand them and said something about accept him as a brother in Christ. Hence this thread is borne.

For my part, I was exhorting 2nd to Christian charity by treating Z with a dignity of a human person and let his voice be heard, even if it is another faith. CAF is not a forum that excludes other faiths but welcomes all even those that do not have faith.

I’m edified that benedict’s mistake has been corrected through this thread but I don’t appreciate our comments castigated when 2ndAdam still hasn’t answered the questions (see post #2 or #220) from his own thread.

If I have erred, then I say mea culpa, mea culpa…

Here’s the essential truth of the matter. If Mormons are not your siblings in Christ, how can they have the Spirit of truth in them to participate in a family discussion about the sufficiency of Christ for us as Christians?

Proclaiming Christ Crucified

2:1 And I, when I came to you, brothers, [1] did not come proclaiming to you the testimony [2] of God with lofty speech or wisdom. 2 For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 3 And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, 4 and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

Wisdom from the Spirit

6 Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. 7 But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But, as it is written,

“What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
nor the heart of man imagined,
what God has prepared for those who love him”—

10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. [3]

14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. 16 “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ. 1 cor 2

 

[Dancelittleewok]

Here’s the essential truth of the matter. If Mormons are not your siblings in Christ, how can they have the Spirit of truth in them to participate in a family discussion about the sufficiency of Christ for us as Christians?

Proclaiming Christ Crucified

2:1 And I, when I came to you, brothers, [1] did not come proclaiming to you the testimony [2] of God with lofty speech or wisdom. 2 For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 3 And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, 4 and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

Wisdom from the Spirit

6 Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. 7 But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But, as it is written,

“What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
nor the heart of man imagined,
what God has prepared for those who love him”—

10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. [3]

14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. 16 “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ. 1 cor 2

In CAF, there is no pre-requisite of having “the Spirit of Truth” to participate in any thread.

 

[Xavierlives]

I would be very disapointed if the Catholic Church ever borrowed from the LDS Church’s playbook.

Ooo… I’m not advocating using all of the plays from their playbook. I’m saying when the missionaries visit they ask if their is anything they can do for you and they do it. We had missionaries visit our house the same time as my wife had given birth and between the members of our church and the Mormons, we were fed for weeks.

 

[dianaiad]

Mormons get baptized??

(delighted grin)

Yep. We baptise EVERYBODY. Well, everybody who wants to, that is.

I have no idea what the official church stance is on if they are our brothers/sisters or not, but I think of everyone as my brother or sister…not, literally, but, when I deal with them, I give them the same respect I would if it WAS my brother or sister, because, well they might BE someone’s brother or sister, and I would always want my loved ones treated with the same respect…least thats how I see it…

But I always thought THEY didnt consider US brethren…My uncle married a mormon…and…we were cool…she came to the hospital when my daughter was born…

Oh, my. No, we most definitely consider y’all 'brethren…" and we mean that quite literally, y’know.

but when I made my uncle the ‘God Father’ ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lord. She refused to come. Doesnt come to ANY birthday parties, gives him BIG TIME grief for going…I’m like, were his FAMILY!!! and hes not ALLOWED to come around??

well, that’s a problem, y’see. I may not know everything about being a god-parent (we don’t have those, y’see…) but isn’t part of the job seeing to it that the child is raised 'in the faith?" Now me, if I married a Catholic and he was made a godfather, I wouldn’t give him any grief over it–and would encourage his participation. It is an honor as well as a huge responsibility. However, if he is now LDS and you made him a godparent…that could be a problem. He can’t, in all honesty, perform the requirements.

I"m going to assume (please correct me if I am wrong) that your uncle is still Catholic. In THAT case, your aunt is an idiot. Pardon my saying so.

But shes his family too now, his wife, so I respect their relationship and would never get into it with her. I also have to be open minded enough to realize that, in the same way I would never attend a same sex marriage or something of the sort, she may not have come to the baptism for religious reasons, not wanting to be a witness or what have you…

That’s HER, not HIM…and I’d go. I wouldn’t accept the post of an official godparent, mind you…(assuming that your priest would even allow you to do that) but I wouldn’t put any obstacles in the way of a Catholic (even one I was married to) who was.

But yeah, EVERY SINGLE mormon I’ve EVER met, has never been, open, to being a full on friend to me…its like … they stick together and only associate within their own circles…

I’m sorry about that. We can be cliquish. We come by it honestly…it is a direct result of being, well…shot at and stuff…but it is unfortunate.

But think about it for a second; wouldn’t you be wary of people whose first response to you is “oh, YOU aren’t Christians, and HERE’S a pamphlet telling you all about how you are going to hell,?” It’s a bit much to expect mere humans to take that sort of history and be all THAT open. We SHOULD be, but, well…we are only human.

cept for ParkerD that dudes down to earth and weve had some interesting theological conversations