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centurionguard
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I could never understand it either. Seems the symbolism in a number of things in the Church get over rationalized into superfluous nonscence.
Heck my priest doesn’t even use the Chalice paten.
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Heck my priest doesn’t even use the Chalice paten.
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YoungTradCath
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I think that’s the problem here. Too many people assume each and every little thing that has any history in our liturgical life is automatically bad just because it’s old, or symbolic just because it’s old, and they won’t stop and actually think if maybe, just maybe we use/do those things for a real reason. What, they say? There is a reason for the things we do at mass?! Why yes, there is!I could never understand it either. Seems the symbolism in a number of things in the Church get over rationalized into superfluous nonscence.
Heck my priest doesn’t even use the Chalice paten.
I think this is another indicator of a cultural problem, a cultural problem not limited to the secular world.
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centurionguard
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Agreed totally. But I think such rich symbolism has to be received inside the heart before it can be shared with others, especially the valued traditions that the entire Liturgy of the Eucharist and the Liturgy of the Word and all the traditional symbolism that is in the foundation of the Church.
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centurionguard
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It breaks me inside to say this but I wonder today if there are missing elements not being taught in seminaries today. We need so much to pray for our clergy. They too are bombarded by the siege of secularism and Satan’s minions in a far worse way than many may realize.
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14er
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I attend the ExtraOrdinary form, so, of course we use them. When I do attend the Ordinary form at another parish, they use them also.
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Anna_Claire
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One of the wonderful results of Vatican II changes is that more people than ever before participate in communion. More ministers of communion are now needed. A parish that is serious about using patens should make sure that each station has someone available, and it’s not necessary that they be altar servers.
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Splagchnizomai
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I think you are referring to Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist?
I sometimes feel like they are too often used, especially at my RCC’s daily Mass. It takes longer to get the EMs up and ready than it does for the congregation to receive communion.
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nickybr38
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Thanks for the quick answer guys. 
No. None of the parishes I have visited use a communion paten. In fact, I’ve never seen one in person.
No. None of the parishes I have visited use a communion paten. In fact, I’ve never seen one in person.
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nickybr38
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My parish has maybe MAYBE 50-60 people at Mass on Sunday. There are four EMHC’s every Sunday. Father is the only one who administers the Precious Body, the other four hold the wine…I think you are referring to Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist?
I sometimes feel like they are too often used, especially at my RCC’s daily Mass. It takes longer to get the EMs up and ready than it does for the congregation to receive communion.
To me it has always seemed like too much for such a small parish… why is everyone in such a rush to get Communion over anyway? Without the EMHC’s it would take a little bit longer, sure but not THAT long…
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Anna_Claire
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You are probably correct in regard to your small parish but my parish is much bigger and 99% of the people go to communion. We have lay ministers of communion who perform their ministries in a reverent orderly fashion. It’s not so much about how much time it takes (but that is a factor for most people) it’s about doing so reverently. The priest would feel overwhelmed and rushed if he were distributing alone…not to mention that most people in my parish communicate from the Cup as well. As I stated before…this is a wonderful result of Vatican II that so many people go to communion.My parish has maybe MAYBE 50-60 people at Mass on Sunday. There are four EMHC’s every Sunday. Father is the only one who administers the Precious Body, the other four hold the wine…
To me it has always seemed like too much for such a small parish… why is everyone in such a rush to get Communion over anyway? Without the EMHC’s it would take a little bit longer, sure but not THAT long…
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Cristiano
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OF parish! We use patens all the time on Sunday or whenever the altar server are present.
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superamazingman
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Always use them at both my parishes
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domandcarols
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Only for Latin masses.
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YoungTradCath
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I don’t quite know how to respond…
EMs are not used to have more people “participate,” or at least they are not intended to be.
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superamazingman
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This simply false information. The purpose of extraordinary ministers is to assist with the distribution of Communion when there is absolutely not enough priests, deacons, or installed acolytes. Then the vatican clarified and said this was true, and also stated that all EMHCs should be praying for enough vocations that their role be eliminated. But it’s all about participation, right?
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Tridentinum
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It would be my guess that using patens during Holy Communion went out the window after most parishes started introducing Holy Communion in the hand. And seeing as there seems to be so many people that are ardently against re-introducing Holy Communion on the tongue only, I can’t see patens coming back into widespread use any time soon.
We have them at the Latin Mass of course but no Ordinary Form I have been to has them.
We have them at the Latin Mass of course but no Ordinary Form I have been to has them.
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Cat
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I just trust that my priests and bishop know whether or not things are required in the OF Mass.
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achmafooma
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I voted ‘yes, always’ but then remembered that our early-AM Mass on Sunday usually only has one altar server and the Priest + 2 EMHC’s, so the paten is usually only at where the Priest is.
Our other Sunday Masses tend to have more altar servers, and patens are pretty much always present at each place Holy Communion is being distributed. Our Pastor takes the Eucharist very, very seriously (as he should!)…he tries to minimize use of EMHC’s as much as practical for a Parish our size, has altar servers with patens much more often than not, and encourages (but does not require) reception on the tongue. We also have a kind of ‘high Mass’ at 11am Sunday, which is still the Ordinary Form but with the ordinary in Latin, incense, and a much more ‘traditional’ feel overall. At that Mass, kneelers are made available for people who wish to receive Holy Eucharist while kneeling and there are always patens.
Personally I really like the patens…of course for the practical reason that they help reduce the likelihood of the Host being dropped to the ground, but also for the important symbolic value: the reminder that it ain’t just a piece of bread, it’s the Body of Christ and deserves special reverence and attention.
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corsair
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Never when the OF is celebrated but ALWAYS when we celebrate the EF.
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Tarpeian_Rock
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I’m having trouble understanding how a paten in the OF with CITH isn’t in fact increasing the risk of an accident. Back in the day, the priest gave the Host to a kneeling communicant who wasn’t in motion and he was coming in “from above,” with the paten below the chin. Today, the communicant is in motion, is standing, the Host is coming in at about the same height as their mouth, the communicant’s hands are in motion, the priest’s hands are in motion, and the server’s hands are in motion with the paten. It clearly works for some, but a paten at the OF with a standing communicant and CITH seems like a hazard all its own. Just trying to understand.
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