DOMA decision cited to block Michigan law

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Ah, but I think in the places you might prefer, you’d be battling the Black Death. 🙂
I’d rather deal with the Black Death than;
  1. Homosexuality being normalized
  2. Legalized abortion
  3. Secularism/religiously neutral society
 
I have to add, we live in a society where there are some who literally believe God doesn’t deserve to be worshipped. How are we supposed to be able to protect marriage when folks have that attitude? I wonder how many vote in favor of it just to spite God?
 
Your church is okay with the encouragement and execution of lust? :confused:
My church leaves specific conduct to the informed conscience of the individual. We believe that this is a matter that is between the individual and God. They do teach us how to discern right from wrong, and we learn that the greatest commandment is to love God above all things, and second, to love our neighbors. The sacrament of confession is made available to all. We believe that It is the duty of each person, under the teaching guidance of the Church, to inform themselves through prayer and study and arrive at an understanding of the Truth revealed to our world by Jesus Christ and to apply their individual gifts to the building of God’s Kingdom.

We are responsible to uphold our sacramental commitments, like matrimony. So we believe that we must be faithful to our spouse, but the specific interpretation of that is up to the individual. We believe that we were all created in God’s image, and that he created us exactly the way he intended us to be.

It’s actually very challenging… we learn what is expected of us through the example of Jesus, but we are left to determine how to apply those teachings through prayerful discernment. It is very challenging, but also very rewarding to strive to follow Jesus’s example.

But no, they do not condone lust. They challenge us to overcome it in a way that is suited to our personal belief structure.
 
My church leaves specific conduct to the informed conscience of the individual. We believe that this is a matter that is between the individual and God. They do teach us how to discern right from wrong, and we learn that the greatest commandment is to love God above all things, and second, to love our neighbors. The sacrament of confession is made available to all. We believe that It is the duty of each person, under the teaching guidance of the Church, to inform themselves through prayer and study and arrive at an understanding of the Truth revealed to our world by Jesus Christ and to apply their individual gifts to the building of God’s Kingdom.

We are responsible to uphold our sacramental commitments, like matrimony. So we believe that we must be faithful to our spouse, but the specific interpretation of that is up to the individual. We believe that we were all created in God’s image, and that he created us exactly the way he intended us to be.

It’s actually very challenging… we learn what is expected of us through the example of Jesus, but we are left to determine how to apply those teachings through prayerful discernment. It is very challenging, but also very rewarding to strive to follow Jesus’s example.

But no, they do not condone lust. They challenge us to overcome it in a way that is suited to our personal belief structure.
So let me ask you something, and I promise you I don’t mean it offensive, so hopefully it doesn’t come off that way. What would you say differentiates you from a Protestant church?
 
I have to add, we live in a society where there are some who literally believe God doesn’t deserve to be worshipped. How are we supposed to be able to protect marriage when folks have that attitude? I wonder how many vote in favor of it just to spite God?
They are entitled to their beliefs. Civil marriage isn’t just for the holy… it isn’t just for Christians. It is for those of all faiths, or none. It is not a religious institution, so I don’t see how it matters.
 
So let me ask you something, and I promise you I don’t mean it offensive, so hopefully it doesn’t come off that way. What would you say differentiates you from a Protestant church?
Many things… but the biggest is that we have maintained apostolic succession which can be traced back to Saint Peter.

We use the Catholic mass, we hold the majority of original Catholic Doctrine to be true, we profess the Nicene Creed

There is a whole lot we have in common with the Roman Catholic Church, and I couldn’t even begin to fit it all in this post.
 
And in doing so legislate against their moral beliefs. Again, secular morality trumps religious morality with the help of the state. This is what I meant about a barrier: the barrier is false. There can only be one winner in such a struggle, and the winner is secular morality.
The barrier exists, but so does civic responsibility. The rights of a church are respected, and the free exercise of their religion is one of our sacred values as a nation. But a hospital has a different set of rules… the set that is applied to all hospitals, a business has to follow the laws that apply to businesses… regardless of who owns them.
 
Many things… but the biggest is that we have maintained apostolic succession which can be traced back to Saint Peter.

We use the Catholic mass, we hold the majority of original Catholic Doctrine to be true, we profess the Nicene Creed

There is a whole lot we have in common with the Roman Catholic Church, and I couldn’t even begin to fit it all in this post.
True, but many of those things also apply to the Lutheran Church, which is typically considered Protestant by Catholics (though Lutherans might not think of themselves that way).
 
True, but many of those things also apply to the Lutheran Church, which is typically considered Protestant by Catholics (though Lutherans might not think of themselves that way).
While that is true, I don’t believe they maintain apostolic succession.
 
The Court has slandered nobody. I would suggest that you read the decision, rather than slander the Court.
I have read the decision, and my accusation is based on the statements of Justices Roberts and Alito. Justice Roberts stated that in relation to the Legislative and Executive Branches passing DOMA, the decision served to “tar the political branches with the brush of bigotry”. Justice Alito’s dissent noted that “Acceptance of the argument would cast all those who cling to traditional beliefs about the nature of marriage in the role of bigots or superstitious fools”

Given the effect that publicly proclaiming support for a definition of marriage that includes the one universal basic assumption shared throughout history - male and female - has in today’s society, do you disagree with Justice Alito’s assessment?
 
For one of the few times in its history, the Supreme Court has directly slandered millions of Americans in claiming that the only reasons to oppose same-sex “marriage” are bigotry and hatred.
Yes, after reading the decision, I would agree. There was no other consistent reason giving by the majority.
 
Given the effect that publicly proclaiming support for a definition of marriage that includes the one universal basic assumption shared throughout history - male and female - has in today’s society, do you disagree with Justice Alito’s assessment?
Absolutely. Alito’s dissent was bizarre and detached from reality. One of his major arguments was, essentially, that the Supreme Court doesn’t have jurisdiction because it shouldn’t weigh in on controversial issues. He forgets that the Supreme Court is obligated to decide cases involving rights regardless of the social implications. He also, essentially, argued that the Supreme Court shouldn’t have decided this case because it shouldn’t be steering society in one direction or another. He clearly missed the forest for the trees on that one. A 5-4 decision in favor of same-sex marriage is reflective of the national view. The bits about bigotry and superstitious fools is just hyperbolic nonsense. The State never presented a compelling reason to violate the civil rights of same-sex couples.
 
I had the pleasure of reading this article because I was unsure how SSM can destroy our culture.

catholic.com/blog/todd-aglialoro/four-ways-that-same-sex-marriage-will-affect-you
Same-sex marriage is not a mere tweak to a few lines of marriage law: It is a codified endorsement of homosexuality. Since the law is a teacher, this endorsement has the effect of confirming in their disorder people suffering from same-sex attraction and removing the stigmas that may have checked others from fully giving themselves over to it. Indeed, considering the low percentages of homosexual couples actually tying the knot in places where SSM has been legalized, and the disdain for marriage reflected in the writings of prominent gay activists and scholars, it’s not a stretch to say that this endorsement—not tax breaks or hospital visitation rights or any other practical benefit of actually getting married—is the primary goal of SSM advocacy.
All this matters because we believe people with same-sex attraction are profoundly wounded and in need of healing. When by power of law the state applauds woundedness, deepens it; when it creates conditions that will increase the numbers of wounded; when it prioritizes making the wounded into adoptive parents, giving them leadership positions in government, education, religion, and the military, and lionizing their condition in public observances, school curricula, and the media—how does this not profoundly affect life for the rest of us?
If culture is the sum of the ideas that shape it, our experience of that culture is the product of the health, virtue, and integrity of the other people who inhabit it.
Worth reading:thumbsup: 👍
 
I have read the decision, and my accusation is based on the statements of Justices Roberts and Alito. Justice Roberts stated that in relation to the Legislative and Executive Branches passing DOMA, the decision served to “tar the political branches with the brush of bigotry”. Justice Alito’s dissent noted that “Acceptance of the argument would cast all those who cling to traditional beliefs about the nature of marriage in the role of bigots or superstitious fools”

Given the effect that publicly proclaiming support for a definition of marriage that includes the one universal basic assumption shared throughout history - male and female - has in today’s society, do you disagree with Justice Alito’s assessment?
Yes, Alito is the mental lightweight in what is arguably the worst court in US history.

The DOMA decision is an equal rights and due process decision. It has absolutely nothing to do with bigotry.
 
Yes, Alito is the mental lightweight in what is arguably the worst court in US history.

The DOMA decision is an equal rights and due process decision. It has absolutely nothing to do with bigotry.
No way; the court was much more permissive during the Roe years. This court actually has the potentiality of rolling back abortion now that O’ Connor has been gone.

Edit: Never mind, I misread your post as against gay marriage. DOMA is not about “equal rights.” Gays already can marry someone of the opposite sex, just like anyone else can.
 
The DOMA decision is an equal rights and due process decision. It has absolutely nothing to do with bigotry.
It was a states rights decision. The majority said it is the states that define and regulate marriage, except for when congress can, but not in this case. The reason not in this case is because congress took away something no one had at the time because they are bigots. See, clear as mud.
 
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