DOMA decision cited to block Michigan law

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SeannyM said:
“The United States is in no way a Christian nation or founded on Christian principles”
-John Adams in the tripoli treaty.
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Then what is it founded on? Look at the Constitution, and the Declaration of Independence. The Declaration clearly states that rights are given not by the State, but by God. The laws of the colonies, later the states, are all based on Christian principles. All thirteen colonies, and 49 of the 50 states, were all founded by Christians. Taking one quote from one founder doesn’t negate the plain and obvious truth.
The right to marry is not currently applied equally. At least not in all states. My religion will consider me married, my state will consider me married, the federal government will consider me married, and other states are obligated under the full faith and credit clause to recognize my marriage when I choose to get married. The only reason they don’t is because the Supreme Court has yet to hear the question. I’m confident that they will rule on the side of equallity once they do. But yes, I currently do have the right to marry in the state of California.
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You have always had the right to get married in California, as well as Arizona, Alaska, Arkansas, Alabama, and forty-five other states, not to mention nearly two hundred countries around the world. So can you kindly point out in what way anyone has ever prevented you from getting married? You, like everyone else in America, have the right to get married, within the simple boundaries proscribed from the beginning of human history. What you want is to fundamentally and forever alter the most basic building block of human society, with clear and obvious consequences to that society and the descendants of its people. I guarantee, and feel free to quote me, that right after the Supreme Court says sexual orientation is no impediment to marriage to whomever you want, polygamists, pedophiles, incest-lovers, and supporters of bestiality will be fighting to get to the front of the line to make their own appeals.

That is what you are ultimately fighting so hard for. I suppose that opposing all that makes me a homophobe and a bigot as well, right? So be it. I’ll wear the label with pride.

Sorry, but opposing that idea doesn’t make me a bigot or a homophobe.
 
SeannyM said:
My church leaves specific conduct to the informed conscience of the individual. We believe that this is a matter that is between the individual and God. They do teach us how to discern right from wrong, and we learn that the greatest commandment is to love God above all things, and second, to love our neighbors. The sacrament of confession is made available to all. We believe that It is the duty of each person, under the teaching guidance of the Church, to inform themselves through prayer and study and arrive at an understanding of the Truth revealed to our world by Jesus Christ and to apply their individual gifts to the building of God’s Kingdom.

We are responsible to uphold our sacramental commitments, like matrimony. So we believe that we must be faithful to our spouse, but the specific interpretation of that is up to the individual. We believe that we were all created in God’s image, and that he created us exactly the way he intended us to be.

It’s actually very challenging… we learn what is expected of us through the example of Jesus, but we are left to determine how to apply those teachings through prayerful discernment. It is very challenging, but also very rewarding to strive to follow Jesus’s example.

But no, they do not condone lust. They challenge us to overcome it in a way that is suited to our personal belief structure.
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Wow. So basically, the authority vested in the Church by Jesus Christ is superseded by the choices of the ‘informed’ conscience of the believer.

That’s about as non-Catholic a viewpoint as I can see while still maintaining to be a Catholic.
 
Stephen168 said:
It was a states rights decision. The majority said it is the states that define and regulate marriage, except for when congress can, but not in this case. The reason not in this case is because congress took away something no one had at the time because they are bigots. See, clear as mud.
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DOMA is a Federal law. The legal issue is equal rights. It is very simple, and obvious. If two couples are married in a state which allows gay marriage, and one couple has different rights than the other couple, as was the case under DOMA, then both couples do not have equal protection under federal law. This is a violation of the US Constitution.

It is very simple. There is nothing complicated to grasp about the decision. The only surprising thing is that it was not unanimous. Each dissenting justice should be suspect of mental deficiency.

Either marriage is a state’s right, or it is not. If it is, then marriage authorized my a state is legal in every way. If it is not, then the federal gov’t may make the rules. You can’t have it both ways.

The next issue will be the recognition of marriages in one state by another. DOMA will be struck down there, as well.

It is simple. Try logic. I am not saying that I endorse it. But the logic is apparent. It is the sweep of history. You can’t fight it any more than the Church could stop the logic of a heliocentrism. Let’s get this straight, the Sun does revolve around the Earth. At least we can agree on that. The momentum is formidable. Don Quixote comes to mind. He was right.
 
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