Domestic violence victim fired from Catholic school

[Country_Gal]

It’s a crying shame that a secular school steps up with courage, and a religious one brought shame upon itself with its weak cowardice.

 

[Dawnia]

I teach in a public school, (Where we don’t have the option to throw kids out if their father is a maniac, they have a learning disability, their mother’s at work and doesn’t have time for playground duty, or other kids bully them.) I’ve already said in a previous post what I think they should have done. They should have contacted the police immediately, gone to court to file their own seperate restraining order against the man and prosecuted him seperately from his ex-wife’s case, and hired a security guard.

Read the letter to the parents. They did call the police when he was discovered at the school. He was gone by the time the police arrived.

According to other sources they had a restraining order against him as well. Can’t verify, but there are currently 4 restraining orders against the ex.

 

[VeritasLuxMea]

What’s to keep the same enraged maniac from showing up in the fall and killing the principal who threw his kids out and left them with no income? What’s to stop some other non-custodial parent or grandparent from coming into the place and kidnapping their kids? What’s to stop these four kids who might have inherited whatever gene is wrong with their father from coming back in a few years and taking out their revenge? If the school’s problem is security, then the solution is not getting ride of the victims de jour. (Unless this is less about safety and more about keeping the “wrong kind of people” out of this nice, quiet parish school.)

Next time this school has a bullying problem, maybe they’ll pick out the most obese student with the thickest glasses and the worst acne and expel him right there on the spot.

 

[Dawnia]

It’s a crying shame that a secular school steps up with courage, and a religious one brought shame upon itself with its weak cowardice.

How do you know it’s a secular school?

 

[Fairwinds]

the diocese and school have solved their problem, they kicked out a risky domestic violence victim and someone else stepped up to hire her. pats on the back all around! God does work in mysterious ways.

 

[markomalley]

It’s a crying shame that a secular school steps up with courage, and a religious one brought shame upon itself with its weak cowardice.

I’m glad it happened.

But how much courage? It is an anonymous person who runs a school someplace in the LA area. That could be LA County, Orange County, western Riverside County, western San Bernardino County or Eastern Ventura County .

In other words, a lot of real estate with millions of people. In other words, it could be 1 out of 10,000 schools…or more.

So I question the use of the word “courage”. Charity…yes.

My question is what this new friend will do if ex hubby finds the new workplace and causes an incident up there?

On a side note , I thought the following quote from the news article was interesting: " Despite an outpouring of parents who voiced their support for the school’s decision…"

Private school parents can be flaky.

 

[fix]

On a side note , I thought the following quote from the news article was interesting: " Despite an outpouring of parents who voiced their support for the school’s decision…"

Private school parents can be flaky.

What if we look at this from another perspective? What obligation does that teacher have not to bring violence to school? It may not be here fault but she is a target. Does she have any responsibility to others?

Also, do her problems which are serious mean her issues outweigh the safety of the children?

 

[Country_Gal]

How do you know it’s a secular school?

I don’t know for sure, but inferred it from the wording of the article. They obviously didn’t want to publicize the name of the school, but the wording and lack of “Christian” modifier on the “private school” the woman runs is a strong clue.

Let’s face it, folks. The Diocese of San Diego did not take the high road here. They bowed to the fears of parents and fired a single mother and expelled her four children from their school. Like someone said, public schools do not have that luxury.

Yes, the mostly well-heeled parents have fears, whipped up by rare cases of school violence publicized by the media. But their kids are more likely to die in a car accident on the way to school, or from health related issues resulting from being over-protected and over-fed junk food.

 

[markomalley]

What if we look at this from another perspective? What obligation does that teacher have not to bring violence to school? It may not be here fault but she is a target. Does she have any responsibility to others?

Also, do her problems which are serious mean her issues outweigh the safety of the children?

I don’t have enough ground truth to say whether the parents’ and school principal’s concerns are well founded or not.

A lot of times there will be complaints for no good reason.

 

[fix]

I don’t have enough ground truth to say whether the parents’ and school principal’s concerns are well founded or not.

A lot of times there will be complaints for no good reason.

People in this thread have no problem blaming the Church and the school based on the evidence so far. I would imagine that if a serious safety issue actually happened many would also be blaming the school after the fact.

My point is having a maniac after you does place some moral burden on you. Other kids deserve consideration as well.

 

[markomalley]

People in this thread have no problem blaming the Church and the school based on the evidence so far. I would imagine that if a serious safety issue actually happened many would also be blaming the school after the fact.

My point is having a maniac after you does place some moral burden on you. Other kids deserve consideration as well.

Indeed.

 

[Dawnia]

I don’t know for sure, but inferred it from the wording of the article. They obviously didn’t want to publicize the name of the school, but the wording and lack of “Christian” modifier on the “private school” the woman runs is a strong clue.

Let’s face it, folks. The Diocese of San Diego did not take the high road here. They bowed to the fears of parents and fired a single mother and expelled her four children from their school. Like someone said, public schools do not have that luxury.

Yes, the mostly well-heeled parents have fears, whipped up by rare cases of school violence publicized by the media. But their kids are more likely to die in a car accident on the way to school, or from health related issues resulting from being over-protected and over-fed junk food.

I see…I thought maybe you had found out something I had not.

 

[Country_Gal]

On a side note , I thought the following quote from the news article was interesting: " Despite an outpouring of parents who voiced their support for the school’s decision…"

Private school parents can be flaky.

Private school parents are very concerned ones. A good percentage of them are over protective. If they are willing to dole out the $ required they likely are successful and know how to exert their clout in life.

Many with children in Catholic schools just want a good school with strong academics, they don’t care about Christian values. I always thought it was a mistake to cater to those folks, often at the cost of the spiritual mission the school was founded upon.

 

[Fairwinds]

…
My point is having a maniac after you does place some moral burden on you. …

it makes you even more guilty of being a victim.

fortunately, the church does have a long history of protecting victims even at risk to itself and its children.

 

[fix]

Private school parents are very concerned ones. A good percentage of them are over protective. If they are willing to dole out the $ required they likely are successful and know how to exert their clout in life.

Many with children in Catholic schools just want a good school with strong academics, they don’t care about Christian values. I always thought it was a mistake to cater to those folks, often at the cost of the spiritual mission the school was founded upon.

Rash judgement?

 

[fix]

it makes you even more guilty of being a victim.

No, it may mean you have responsibilities though. I know the post modern mind only views reality in terms of “rights” though.

fortunately, the church does have a long history of protecting victims even at risk to itself and its children.

Uh huh. The school only has a moral obligation to the teacher and no one else, right?

 

[Fairwinds]

No, it may mean you have responsibilities though. I know the post modern mind only views reality in terms of “rights” though.

I have a responsibility to my fellow man, that’s true. the diocese apparently does not believe it has any responsibility to the crime victim.

Uh huh. The school only has a moral obligation to the teacher and no one else, right?

you can’t imagine that the diocese has responsibilities to the teacher, the school and the kids?

other catholics have reached the opposite conclusion under vastly more dangerous conditions and we honor their actions as heroic and the best examples of christian charity.

but all’s well! someone bailed out the school and dioceses. no worries!

 

[Country_Gal]

Rash judgement?

Hardly. I have 35 years of parenting and 6 children under my belt. Helicopter parenting is a huge phenomenon today. The culture, in fact, has encouraged it by demanding constant oversight by parents, who are so scared by what they see on the news that they are afraid to allow their children to ride their bikes around the neighborhood.

Private and homeschool parents are very highly emotionally invested in their children, sometimes in unhealthy ways. I homeschooled my children for a time and saw a lot of smother mothers in the home school group I joined. There was a lot of fear and negativity about society as well. Yes, some of that is well founded, but I saw a lot of over the top parents throughout my years.

 

[fix]

I have a responsibility to my fellow man, that’s true. the diocese apparently does not believe it has any responsibility to the crime victim.

Sure they do and they have behaved well. They gave her paid leave. That is time to find another job. Also, we do not know what information the school has from the police and other sources. Removing the teacher may have been in the best interest of all involved.

you can’t imagine that the diocese has responsibilities to the teacher, the school and the kids?

other catholics have reached the opposite conclusion under vastly more dangerous conditions and we honor their actions as heroic and the best examples of christian charity.

but all’s well! someone bailed out the school and dioceses. no worries!

I guess the teacher’s personal issues override any safety issues for the rest of the school. That seems fair.

 

[fix]

Hardly. I have 35 years of parenting and 6 children under my belt. Helicopter parenting is a huge phenomenon today. The culture, in fact, has encouraged it by demanding constant oversight by parents, who are so scared by what they see on the news that they are afraid to allow their children to ride their bikes around the neighborhood.

Private and homeschool parents are very highly emotionally invested in their children, sometimes in unhealthy ways. I homeschooled my children for a time and saw a lot of smother mothers in the home school group I joined. There was a lot of fear and negativity about society as well. Yes, some of that is well founded, but I saw a lot of over the top parents throughout my years.

Well, I guess that is proof those parents are wrong. It is always good to place the kids at risk because of one teacher’s personal problems.