Domestic violence victim fired from Catholic school

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fix said:
…I guess the teacher’s personal issues override any safety issues for the rest of the school. That seems fair.
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if you’re cool with the church abandoning the crime victim, so am I.
 
Country_Gal said:
Excellent solution. Maybe you can email the school. It’d be greater if the Church could set her up with a job and apt across the country.
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It depends on a lot of things such as the diocese’s own resources, her ability to get his visitation rights suspended, and other details we might not be privy to. I just hate to see a person in trouble apparently thrown from the bus because her problems are creating headaches for others.
 
fix said:
She was not abandoned. She was fired with a long paid leave.
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Fired? I thought they just decided to not let her go?
markomalley said:
And you will note from the termination letter that they decided not to offer her a contract for next year. Teachers in Catholic schools typically are given a contract for each school year. **In fact, she was not fired. She was simply not rehired for the following year.
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Interesting.
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I don’t know how people can justify the school and diocese’s actions in this matter. As for safety issues regarding the students, firing a teacher because of the actions of her ex-husband doesn’t automatically make it safe for the school. Do we know if this school is a gun free zone? Do they actually have armed guards? What happens if it experiences an Adam Lanza?

I suggested earlier having an armed guard as a reasonable solution to this current crisis. If I was the principal I would easily explain this as something that all schools should have because gun free school zones are targets for mass shootings.
 
JMJSHJ said:
Fired? I thought they just decided to not let her go?

I don’t know how people can justify the school and diocese’s actions in this matter. As for safety issues regarding the students, firing a teacher because of the actions of her ex-husband doesn’t automatically make it safe for the school. Do we know if this school is a gun free zone? Do they actually have armed guards? What happens if it experiences an Adam Lanza?

I suggested earlier having an armed guard as a reasonable solution to this current crisis. If I was the principal I would easily explain this as something that all schools should have because gun free school zones are targets for mass shootings.
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I think they decided not to renew her contract.

Schools are always safety conscious. If a known thread presents then they have an even greater obligation. Not unlike people who drive safely are even more cautious when it is dark and roads are ice covered.
 
JMJSHJ said:
Fired? I thought they just decided to not let her go?

I don’t know how people can justify the school and diocese’s actions in this matter. As for safety issues regarding the students, firing a teacher because of the actions of her ex-husband doesn’t automatically make it safe for the school. Do we know if this school is a gun free zone? Do they actually have armed guards? What happens if it experiences an Adam Lanza?

I suggested earlier having an armed guard as a reasonable solution to this current crisis. If I was the principal I would easily explain this as something that all schools should have because gun free school zones are targets for mass shootings.
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Even an innocent Amish school experienced violence. These shootings have a randomness to them that is unpredictable, like tornados. They are usually a) outcast students who go berzerk , or b) outcast young white men who are maladjusted loners who snap.
 
fix said:
She was not abandoned. She was fired with a long paid leave.
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Actually teachers in Catholic schools work on one year contracts. In order to keep working, they must be offered and sign a contract at the beginning of the year.

She was paid in accordance with her contract for the duration of the contract year.

The letter from the diocese said that she would not be offered a contract for the following school year.
 
fix said:
I think they decided not to renew her contract.

Schools are always safety conscious. If a known thread presents then they have an even greater obligation. Not unlike people who drive safely are even more cautious when it is dark and roads are ice covered.
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The best way to avert a greater threat is to prepare for it ahead of time.
 
Country_Gal said:
That’s a travesty! A man who behaves like that should lose visitation.
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If she bothered to take him to court over it she would win; he’d lose visitation rights. The family court system has little love even for non-abusive fathers, I doubt it will give an abusive one a pass. If he still has visitation rights, then it’s because she hasn’t petitioned them yet. And if he has any money she wins, he may be made to pay for her legal fees as well.
 
Country_Gal said:
Even an innocent Amish school experienced violence. These shootings have a randomness to them that is unpredictable, like tornados. They are usually a) outcast students who go berzerk , or b) outcast young white men who are maladjusted loners who snap.
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I don’t suppose I need to cite examples of members of other ethnic groups who have committed mass shootings to disprove your assertion about ‘young white men.’
 
markomalley said:
Actually teachers in Catholic schools work on one year contracts. In order to keep working, they must be offered and sign a contract at the beginning of the year.

She was paid in accordance with her contract for the duration of the contract year.

The letter from the diocese said that she would not be offered a contract for the following school year.
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Yes, thanks that is why in the other post I mentioned her contract was not renewed.
 
fix said:
They did.
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Indeed they are. I think what a lot of people are missing, is that the school and the diocese will be taken to the cleaners if they knew of a serious threat to the school and did nothing. They are liable, legally (not just morally) for the children in their care during the day.

Oh and the security guard thing would be nice, but do any of you know how expensive that is? Especially armed security guards, if that is even legal, I would not be surprised if there were some very strict regulations in CA about who can be security on schools. Would you be willing to keep your kids in a school after your tuition goes up $2000 and there is still a threat to the school and the children, of which the security guards may or may not be able to do anything about?
 
jilly4ski said:
Indeed they are. I think what a lot of people are missing, is that the school and the diocese will be taken to the cleaners if they knew of a serious threat to the school and did nothing. They are liable, legally (not just morally) for the children in their care during the day.

Oh and the security guard thing would be nice, but do any of you know how expensive that is? Especially armed security guards, if that is even legal, I would not be surprised if there were some very strict regulations in CA about who can be security on schools. Would you be willing to keep your kids in a school after your tuition goes up $2000 and there is still a threat to the school and the children, of which the security guards may or may not be able to do anything about?
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First off calling the police and getting security (which they indicated they did) is hardly doing nothing. The school’s liability isn’t solely to the students but to the staff as well. As for expensive then I would say that if they can afford private school price then they can afford to pay for a security guard. Unless we want to do a Sandra Fluke and say that birth control is too expensive for Georgetown Law.

Finally if having armed security at the school is somehow a bad thing, then I want everyone who supports the school in this disgusting incident to renounce their 2nd amendment rights to bear arms. After Sandyhook took place lots of posters wanted armed guards at all schools because gun free zones were making kids target practice.
 
JMJSHJ said:
First off calling the police and getting security (which they indicated they did) is hardly doing nothing. The school’s liability isn’t solely to the students but to the staff as well. As for expensive then I would say that if they can afford private school price then they can afford to pay for a security guard. Unless we want to do a Sandra Fluke and say that birth control is too expensive for Georgetown Law.

Finally if having armed security at the school is somehow a bad thing, then I want everyone who supports the school in this disgusting incident to renounce their 2nd amendment rights to bear arms. After Sandyhook took place lots of posters wanted armed guards at all schools because gun free zones were making kids target practice.
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I don’t think you understand what goes into hiring a security guard. They could not just hire one guard, they would have to have a guard there for more than 8 hours a day (and overtime is too expensive so you need more than one) and depending on the size of the campus you would need more than one, depending on your area unarmed guards make 10 to $12/hr (armed guards get more) and some get benefits, and oh yeah, you have to hire your guards through a security agency, the security firm designs a security plan for your school, because people at the school do not have the expertise.

I also don’t think you understand what sort of legal liability that this school would incur if they had a credible threat, like this man and didn’t do something and there was an incident. It is called negligence. Calling the police the first time does not free you from negligence in the future.

Oh and just because people are sending their kids to private Catholic school does not mean they can afford the increase they would need to pay for a security guard, that is a terrible assumption especially since many kids at Catholic schools are there on partial scholarships, especially need based scholarships. Especially since there is a free option down the road. :rolleyes:

I think the school had no good option. They could raise their prices and lose their students and have to close, (leaving no one with a job). They could not rehire this one teacher, a horrible choice to be sure, or they could do nothing and risk an incident, and possibly getting sued, and thus having to close. I am guessing they were given the options by their lawyer and they chose this one, which shows you how legally risky (or an impossible business feat) these other choices were.

I know of Catholic school teachers (music) who don’t know if they will get their contract re-offered, because enrollment is down so much, they don’t know if they can pay him. The Catholic school in my area, (well next to my area) is in a very nice rich suburban area, and they are closing next year, because of lack of enrollment. These are very real problems for Catholic schools, regardless of the area or how “rich” you assume people to be.
 
JMJSHJ said:
Get an armed guard. Legally can the guard warn him that if he sets foot upon the school’s ground he could be shot? It’s my understanding that a homeowner can do that to an intruder.
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In California they could be charged with premeditated murder.
 
SamH said:
In California they could be charged with premeditated murder.
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LOL, I wonder. My husband was a security guard (unarmed) is NY state. He always joked that he was just a glorified security alarm. While this might reduce your liability insurance payments (and perhaps elicit a quicker police response time), whether it prevents incidents (beyond a fancy security alarm system) is debatable. He could not touch or confront a person unless immediate harm was threatened, and even then, whether or not they could be sued for it was questionable.
 
All of this is an argument for Catholic school teachers to unionize.
 
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