Don Lemon: Even Most Skeptical Black, ‘Gay Folks’ Wanted to Believe Smollett

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Faux hate-crimes are very rare relative to real ones.
Shouldn’t that inform your priorities?
 
dvdjs . . .
The FBI data reports crimes. . . .
. . . But I am not interested in discussing such matters without foundation.
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Why not show me what you are talking about.

The last report that you linked to that I said I reviewed, didn’t say what you are attempting to say.

I am open to the numbers.

I’ll wait to see what you are basing this thesis of yours on and proceed as indicated.
 
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LML . . .
Of course there are “some”…but, to you, perhaps what you think it suggests might be jaundiced…
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That’s the whole point of part of WHY hoaxes are so destructive.

See Aesop here for more details.

But its irrelevant how “jaundiced” your view or my view might be. It’s all mere speculation without evidence.

Since you are the one who offered the criticism . . . Do you have any?
 
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Cathoholic . . .
But its irrelevant how “jaundiced” your view or my view might be. It’s all mere speculation without evidence.

Since you are the one who offered the criticism . . . Do you have any?
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LML . . .
Yes, I do.
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Well please share it then.
 
dvdjs . . .
Look at the one I linked to before that. It has been extensively discussed in the thread…
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I just did and it doesn’t say what you are trying to get it to say.

It makes my point (Or the point of Theo520 I should say).

It talks about hate crime incidents.

Not hate crime convictions.

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If police have an “incident” at the corner of such and so, it tells you nothing about what occurred afterwards.

Several weeks ago Jussie’s claim was a hate crime incident.

It seems you are making-up these phantom “statistics” you keep referring to here dvdjs. (At least that what it looks like so far.)

Just because reports of hate crime “incidents” are rising, it does NOT mean
actual hate crimes are occurring.

I think it just means that there are more phony hoaxes and false flag reporting of “incidents”.
And perhaps there might ALSO be some greater awareness (“we better report this”).
 
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Cathoholic
Well please share it then.
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LML . .
After 45 posts on this one topic, I’m pretty sure anything I add is unnecessary due to redundancy…As I close this post, I will no longer be tracking it.
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That’s pretty much what I thought I’d hear.
 
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Of course there are “some”…but, to you, perhaps what you think it suggests might be jaundiced…especially if you want to believe there are (more than some) people who want bad race relations; but that’s only a question you can answer…its not a matter of those who wanted to believe Smollett wanted bad race relations…that’s a preposterous stretch…wanting to believe that there is enough hatred in the world, is far different from wanting their to be that hatred to have an excuse to perpetuate more.
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Agreed, the two ideas are a horse of a different color indeed!
 
DENNYINMI
. . . wanting to believe that there is enough hatred in the world, is far different from wanting their to be that hatred to have an excuse to perpetuate more.
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If you really believe that nobody WANTS deterioration of race relations,
I suggest you ask
the people of the race-baiting idustrial complex to
cease and desist from fund raising on race issues.

Report back to me in three days how far THAT got you.
(Be sure to include at the very least “the rev” (Rev. Al Sharpton),
also include Jesse (Rev. Jesse Jackson), and certainly the SPLC.)

Then we’ll talk some more.
 
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Cathoholic said:
Just because reports of hate crime “incidents” are rising , it does NOT mean
actual hate crimes are occurring .

I think it just means that there are more phony hoaxes and false flag reporting of “ incidents ”.
And perhaps there might ALSO be some greater awareness (“we better report this”).
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I think there are several factors at play here.

Most of the incidents are tagged as vandalism or intimidation. While I don’t know if they’ve been increasing or not, I can imagine more are being reported than were in years and decades past.

I also expect more people are using the claim as a weapon, like Smollett, because it’s effective in the current media climate.

The interesting statistic not shared are the number of convictions or validations of the reported incidents, which you pointed out. Being able to compare reported vs convictions over many years would be enlightening.
 
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It talks about hate crime incidents .

Not hate crime convictions .
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I am not sure how you imagine that the word “incident” is used n this FBI crime report.
If you read the notes, you will gather that incident refers to an encounter between perpetrators and victims. Thus, there are offenses than incidents because some incidents involve multiple offenses. Likewise the total number of incidents is less than the sum of incidents stratified by type, as, for example, some encounters involve more than one bias-type.
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It seems you are making-up these phantom “statistics”
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Hardly, the data are from the FBI. I realize that it is trendy nowadays to reject FBI work if it conflicts with personal narrative. I am open to a consideration of any alternative data that you wish to present.
 
If you read the notes, you will gather that incident refers to an encounter between perpetrators and victims.
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I read the notes. I am the guy who posted the screenshot. You did not.

“Enocounters” do not equal “convicted crimes”.

You know that. I know that. Everyone reading here knows it.

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Cathoholic . . .
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dvdjs . . .
Hardly, the data are from the FBI.
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The “phantom” dimension is not from the FBI dvdjs.

The “phantom” dimension is from you (your interpretation).
 
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dvdjs . . .
I have related the FBI statistics as they report them.
If you don’t like them please produce your own data.
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I like the FBI statistics just fine.

But the FBI statistics show no increase or decrease in hate crimes. At least in the sense of convictions.

Why did you try to pass this off as in increase in crimes dvdjs? (At least in the sense of convicted crimes?)

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dvdjs . . .
Neither, for example, do reports of illegal aliens equal convicted crimes.
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Absolutely irrelevant to the topic here and is more deflection by you dvdjs.

This is not logical argumentation.
 
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Why did you try to pass this off as in increase in crimes dvdjs?
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  1. They use the word crime for their report. When asked, above, what I call a hate-crime, I defered to the FBI definition.
  2. I think that if you review the thread, you will see that I entered the discussion on the matter of whether or not hate-crime hoaxes are more frequent than hate-crimes. I don’t think that you will find my commenting on trends in hate-crimes over time.
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Absolutely irrelevant to the topic here and is more deflection by you dvdjs.
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Actually, it is a nice example of the device of reductio ad absurdum, used against your attemopt to change the goal-posts from “crimes” (per FBI) to “convictions”.
 
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They are not convicted crimes. They are reported crimes.

You still have no evidence about hate crimes increasing.

Nothing.

Absolutely nothing.
 
dvdjs . . .
I don’t think that you will find my commenting on trends in hate-crimes over time.
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Well if that’s the case, why have you been trying to defend this notion?

Edited spelling “defend”.
 
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