Donald Trump attacks Hillary Clinton as wins set stage for brutal election

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If Bush had killed Bin Laden would you be complaining?
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I think its quite clear what I’m saying, had Bush claimed he was a great christian for killing Bin Laden my view would be no different. My critique has not a thing to do with separation of state and church. Little different when you claim this death and circumstance in the name of christianity. I think the Vatican summed up my feelings as a christian about this quite well in that rejoicing a responsibility in this case death is crazy, and as stated the event should be stated for what it was and serve as the occasion for the further growth of peace and not of hatred. Unless the idea is to further upset the muslim community I fail to see how touting great christian and throwing a muslim off a ship after shooting in him the head is some standard of attribute which makes one a great christian, I’m sure you agree?
 
GaryTaylor said:
I think its quite clear what I’m saying, had Bush claimed he was a great christian for killing Bin Laden my view would be no different. My critique has not a thing to do with separation of state and church. Little different when you claim this death and circumstance in the name of christianity. I think the Vatican summed up my feelings as a christian about this quite well in that rejoicing a responsibility in this case death is crazy, and as stated the event should be stated for what it was and serve as the occasion for the further growth of peace and not of hatred. Unless the idea is to further upset the muslim community I fail to see how touting great christian and throwing a muslim off a ship after shooting in him the head is some standard of attribute which makes one a great christian, I’m sure you agree?
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When did Obama claim he was a great Christian for getting Bin Laden?
 
sallybutler said:
When did Obama claim he was a great Christian for getting Bin Laden?
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Sally go back and read the thread. The idea Obama is a great christian and the bin laden death as proof was the evidence is what the conversation stemmed from making them mutually exclusive and my point is clearly they are not. The crusader claim doesn’t originally come from the muslims it comes right from this type of loose thinking and talking. They were and are values we disagree with in killing and a double standard would be confirmed.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Sally go back and read the thread. The idea Obama is a great christian and the bin laden death as proof was the evidence is what the conversation stemmed from making them mutually exclusive and my point is clearly they are not. The crusader claim doesn’t originally come from the muslims it comes right fom this type of loose thinking and talking. They were and are values we disagree with in killing and a double standard would be confirmed.
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I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you are trying to say. I don’t know if it is the punctuation or the lack of complete thoughts. Could you restate this in short complete statements? I feel rather stupid, but perhaps you could make your point in simpler, more coherent sentences.
 
sallybutler said:
I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you are trying to say. I don’t know if it is the punctuation or the lack of complete thoughts. Could you restate this in short complete statements? I feel rather stupid, but perhaps you could make your point in simpler, more coherent sentences.
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Shooting bin laden in the head and throwing him off a ship doesn’t make Obama a “great christian” There may well be some attributes Obama does have as a great christian. But thats not it.
 
Since we’re talking about the general election I’d like to ask: is Trump going to be self-funded in the general?

Also, how many people really care whether someone is self-funded?
 
Peter_J said:
Since we’re talking about the general election I’d like to ask: is Trump going to be self-funded in the general?

Also, how many people really care whether someone is self-funded?
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Trump is not self-funded, contrary to popular belief. He is lending the RNC money.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Shooting bin laden in the head and throwing him off a ship doesn’t make Obama a “great christian” There may well be some attributes Obama does have as a great christian. But thats not it.
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I never said it made him a great Christian. It does help him as a defender of the USA.
 
Peter_J said:
Since we’re talking about the general election I’d like to ask: is Trump going to be self-funded in the general?

Also, how many people really care whether someone is self-funded?
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Interesting thought, I think he will be looking for private donations similar to what Bernie does. Admittedly I’m assuming.

You have to wonder about the difference though. Trust with the peoples intent is the reasoning behind it with Bernie and Donald, but how well placed is that trust?
 
meltzerboy said:
Maybe, maybe not. Sometimes external forces intervene, such as another major terrorist attack here in the U.S., G-d forbid, which test the judgment and temperament of a President. Other times, loss of an influential person occurs through retirement or death, such as the death of a Supreme Court justice, who must be replaced. The future is unpredictable and a President, as well as a Vice-President, must be prepared.
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It’s true that external forces sometimes intervene. I don’t know that much changed after 9/11, though other than more security at airports, which is good, and hatred for all Muslims, which is bad. The Supreme Court justices can be unpredictable. They certainly aren’t the puppets of the president who appoints them. I do agree that the VP choice must be prepared to step in as president at any time. That’s why I find Carly Fiorina shocking unless Cruz knows he can’t possibly be the Repub. Party’s nominee.

Something did change with Obama, the ACA, which is okay, but does have some problems. Personally, though, I’d greatly prefer a single-peyer system like Sanders proposed.
 
sallybutler said:
It does help him as a defender of the USA.
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How, by upsetting the entire muslim world by treating the guy like trash? Sounds like Obama needs some ego stroking or confirmation he actually did something in this complete and utter mess he made of the middle east… What did we win with this. We got bin laden, thats it? Explain the significance to me because what we accomplished eludes me here. We have a mess in the middle east?

Honestly I could do without Obama and Hillary and their theory of USA defense, its the entire reason why many people disagree with both, foreign policy and national security. Its time for a change and Hillary really has a trust issue aside from voting for the Iraq war. Hows that going since 2002?
 
Lily_Bernans said:
A lot of people really like him and will vote for Hillary because of him. Surprisingly, a lot of people want to keep the ACA. I’m in favor of everyone having health insurance, but I think the ACA has major problems that need straightening out. Hillary has promised to straighten those out.

And even more people remember that the economy was very good under Bill Clinton. They know he’d be available to advise Hillary.

So I don’t see Obama as any kind of drawback to Hillary’s campaign.
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People do not want “ObamaCare”, but people DO want The Affordable Care Act … and the two things are the SAME EXACT THING … just different names.

So, as a result the people are being pulled in two different directions.

By the words that are being used in the political arena.

There is a video out there in which Obama states that he wants single payer and it will take an additional step or two to get to that point.

The second step is approaching with the sequential bankruptcies of the insurance companies.

And it is all part of the approach to government control of YOU and everything else.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
People do not want “ObamaCare”, but people DO want The Affordable Care Act … and the two things are the SAME EXACT THING … just different names.

There is a video out there in which Obama states that he wants single payer and it will take an additional step or two to get to that point.

The second step is approaching with the sequential bankruptcies of the insurance companies.

And it is all part of the approach to government control of YOU and everything else.
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The people of France, which has the number one health care in the world, the UK, and Canada, just for starters, are not controlled, and they don’t have any citizens who can’t afford health care.

I have no fear of being controlled.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
The people of France, which has the number one health care in the world, the UK, and Canada, just for starters, are not controlled, and they don’t have any citizens who can’t afford health care.

I have no fear of being controlled.
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The quality of the care and the financing of the medical care are TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS.

The people pulling the strings are using words to conflate and confuse the people.
 
GaryTaylor said:
How, by upsetting the entire muslim world by treating the guy like trash? Sounds like Obama needs some ego stroking or confirmation he actually did something in this complete and utter mess he made of the middle east… What did we win with this. We got bin laden, thats it? Explain the significance to me because what we accomplished eludes me here. We have a mess in the middle east?

Honestly I could do without Obama and Hillary and their theory of USA defense, its the entire reason why many people disagree with both, foreign policy and national security. Its time for a change and Hillary really has a trust issue aside from voting for the Iraq war. Hows that going since 2002?
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So, are you saying getting Bin Laden was a bad thing?
 
sallybutler said:
So, are you saying getting Bin Laden was a bad thing?
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Im saying May 2, 2011, is basically ancient history with this Obama Clinton arab spring. What has he and Hillary done for us lately, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq? How anyone would think more Obama and Hillary thinking is what America needs mystifies me.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
The quality of the care and the financing of the medical care are TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS.

The people pulling the strings are using words to conflate and confuse the people.
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People in France, the UK, and Canada are getting quality medical care. They aren’t dropping like flies. My relatives in France get free colonoscopies, etc. They get medical care the US for-profit insurance companies won’t pay for.
 
sallybutler said:
So, are you saying getting Bin Laden was a bad thing?
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Bin Laden was available for the taking much much earlier … when Bill Clinton was offered Bin Laden on a silver platter … just to come and pick him up.

But Clinton refused.
 
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