Donald Trump attacks Hillary Clinton as wins set stage for brutal election

[Darryl1958]

From another perspective, to the extent that God has become humanized, as in the Second Person of Trinity, the message of God is to love one’s enemies, to forgive them, to struggle not against flesh and blood, but against the powers and principalities of this fallen world.

To the extent that God is fully transcendent as well, God is the author of both life and death. He is the judge. He creates; he destroys. He cannot be judged by humans, because his ways are not our ways. The soliloquies of God to Job make this very clear.

The terribleness of this God is very real. The reality of Auschwitz, of Hiroshima, of the Mongol hordes, make this an inescapable aspect of our faith. Wisdom comes through the fear of God, and surely God is to be feared. This is just a part of human existence. Only a fierce and terrible God would be capable to will our world into existence. The terribleness of God is as present in his decision to allow life to go on after the flood as it was in his will to destroy the world.
There is no white washing the terribleness of God from our lives, as much as we might wish to.

 

[Tomdstone]

The terribleness of this God is very real.

To say that God is terrible seems to contradict the teaching that God is all good and all merciful.

 

[Darryl1958]

To say that God is terrible seems to contradict the teaching that God is all good and all merciful.

The terribleness of God on the other hand does not contradict reality, and it does not contradict the passages of the Bible that state exactly that…

 

[GaryTaylor]

To say that God is terrible seems to contradict the teaching that God is all good and all merciful.

Some of the issue is mankinds adjectives as opposed to Gods essence in which case His justice is divine because God is good.

The Christian rejects the first option, that morality is an arbitrary function of God’s power. And he rejects the second option, that God is responsible to a higher law. There is no Law over God.

The third option is that an objective standard exists (this avoids the first horn of the dilemma). However, the standard is not external to God, but internal (avoiding the second horn). Morality is grounded in the immutable character of God, who is perfectly good. His commands are not whims, but rooted in His holiness.

Could God simply decree that torturing babies was moral? “No,” the Christian answers, “God would never do that.” It’s not a matter of command. It’s a matter of character.

So the Christian answer avoids the dilemma entirely. Morality is not anterior to God - logically prior to Him - as Bertrand Russell suggests, but rooted in His nature. As Scott Rae puts it, “Morality is not grounded ultimately in God’s commands, but in His character, which then expresses itself in His commands.”[9] In other words, whatever a good God commands will always be good.

str.org/articles/euthyphro-s-dilemma

Passing thoughts, just passing thoughts.

 

[stinkcat_14]

They may even want to take arms for Bernie’s cause.

What gives you that idea?

 

[GaryTaylor]

However, a spiritual genocide to wipe out immoral behavior is condoned.

Sounds like reprobate…

First, we must confess that God wills all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. Secondly, there can be no doubt that all who actually come to the knowledge of the truth and to salvation, do so not in virtue of their own merits but of the efficacious help of divine grace. Thirdly, we must admit that human understanding is unable to fathom the depths of God’s judgments, and we ought not to inquire why He who wishes all men to be saved does not in fact save all. It is clear, then, that in a countless variety of ways God wills all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. When they do come, then God’s help is their guide; and when they do not, the fault of the refusal lies with their own obstinancy. The reconciliation of these two ideas is a divine mystery. Prosper, The call of all nations

 

[Lily_Bernans]

They may even want to take arms for Bernie’s cause.

I really doubt that. They will do as people always do, just accept that their candidate didn’t win this time and make do with the one who did. Apathy. It’s on both sides. If it weren’t millions more would have voted in the primaries on both sides of the aisle.

 

[PRmerger]

To say that God is terrible seems to contradict the teaching that God is all good and all merciful.

Not terrible as in horrible.

Terrible as in…like thunder.

You know the aphorism–God is not nice. God is an earthquake.

 

[PRmerger]

So, if there is a passage that you don’t like in the Scripture, it should be interpreted figuratively? Of course, this is done all the time.

Or…we interpret it figuratively when it was intended to be figurative.

Take for example, the way that the LG people get around the passages condemning homosexual activity.

Just to be clear: I don’t use Scripture to argue against homosexuality.

It can be argued against simply through the use of logic.

 

[GaryTaylor]

They are rioting now, there were children in Indiana swearing and cussing holding Bernie signs

dailycaller.com/2016/05/02/fcking-ahole-vulgar-children-curse-at-trump-supporters/

greeted by protestors cursing and screaming, many of whom were children. The boy was holding a Bernie Sanders for president sign and had a Bernie pin on his shirt.

Indicative of on-going behavior/mental heath issues. Basically you have kids encouraged to be out of control, flipping and stomping of police cars, throwing eggs and rocks and verbally physically and psychologically assaulting people.

This is the dove party, peace, love, pacifists etc. But they want safe areas for their own feelings while they have no regard for others…

huffingtonpost.com/entry/michael-bloomberg-commencement-speech_us_57264acee4b01a5ebde5ef85

“The whole purpose of college is to learn how to deal with difficult situations – not run away from them.”

And the idea of being a leader entails promoting peace and peaceful protest which “somebody” needs to do and is apparently absent. We are talking the exchange of ideas in a two party system, not civil war instigated by mental midgets.

 

[Peter_J]

Of course, this is done all the time.

Not by fundamentalists.

 

[Robert_Bay]

MODERATOR NOTE

This thread is wandering, please return to the the topic of the original post

 

[estesbob]

Which candidate promotes brotherly love more, and is more humanitarian overall? Brotherly love should be the top value which our society is based. It is the central value for Jews and Christians (I’m not sure how the Muslims view brotherly love).

The question is which candidate promotes forcing the Govts view of Brotherly Love on the populace more?

 

[DaveBj]

Which candidate promotes brotherly love more, and is more humanitarian overall? Brotherly love should be the top value which our society is based. It is the central value for Jews and Christians (I’m not sure how the Muslims view brotherly love).

That would be Sanders.

Sanders believes in confiscating wealth from the “haves” and redistributing it to the “have-nots,” after first filtering it through a massive government bureaucracy. How is the promotion of class warfare Christ-like or supportive of brotherly love?

 

[Thorolfr]

A new Florida poll has Hillary Clinton beating Donald Trump in Florida by 13 points, and according to an article in the today’s Washington Post, if Clinton wins Florida and carries the 19 states plus DC that have voted for Democrats in each of the last six elections, she will be the 45th president.

 

[Peter_J]

A new Florida poll has Hillary Clinton beating Donald Trump in Florida by 13 points, and according to an article in the today’s Washington Post, if Clinton wins Florida and carries the 19 states plus DC that have voted for Democrats in each of the last six elections, she will be the 45th president.

One reason that I hope Cruz will stay in the race, right till California, even if he loses today.

 

[Sy_Noe]

A new Florida poll has Hillary Clinton beating Donald Trump in Florida by 13 points, and according to an article in the today’s Washington Post, if Clinton wins Florida and carries the 19 states plus DC that have voted for Democrats in each of the last six elections, she will be the 45th president.

Now that, Thorolfr, is getting back to the topic! Looks like Trump could lose both his homestate of NY and his second home, FL.

 

[Sy_Noe]

One reason that I hope Cruz will stay in the race, right till California, even if he loses today.

Why? Do you still have hope the Stop Trump movement can be successful prior to the general election?

 

[Peter_J]

Why? Do you still have hope the Stop Trump movement can be successful prior to the general election?

Probably not if Trump wins IN. However, NE, WV, OR, WA, MO, NJ, NM, SD, and CA are states too. I hope voters in them get a chance to make their voices heard as well – for the presumptive or against.

 

[Denise1957]

From today’s Guardian:

theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/27/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-primaries-results-general-election-sanders-delegates

Somehow I don’t think that this line of attack by Trump is going to go over all that well with most women. Even Christie’s wife seemed turned off.

It won’t go over well with female Hillary supporters. I think that there are more female Hillary supporters than Trump realizes, but not as many as the Democrats may assume that there is. If not for the closed Democratic caucuses in some states, where only registered Democrats can vote, then Sanders would have had many more votes from Independents. I don’t think that Hillary would necessarily win the nomination if not for the closed caucuses. I could be wrong.