Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S

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Path_Finder said:
No special interests buy Trump, he wants to keep Americans great. Good for him.
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I think I agree. Well regardless of one’s opinions on his politics, what I do admire about him is that he is largely self-funded, which means he is not in truck to particular interests be it unions, banks, oil companies or whoever.

Perhaps whatever happens to his candidacy and whoever the victorious primary candidates are, and whoever wins the main event next year, Trump’s campaign might be a hopeful and long-needed spur to meaningful campaign finance reform? (I know this is off-piste to bring up financing, but while I personally don’t buy Trump’s ideas most of the time, I’m not saying he has no merits at all!!)
 
Murmurs said:
I don’t think I can disagree with that, except to suggest that plenty of Muslims are also being persecuted for their religion, by ISIS, because it’s not sufficiently archaic and brutal or of a different branch altogether. I guess the problem is it’s hard to distinguish, and there is the tension between the charitable and Christian thing to do, which is let everyone who is in need to come, and the sensible and practical thing to do, which is to use moderation in that. I kind of feel uneasy about distinguishing groups of refugees purely on their religion though, however reasonable the motivation.
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Good post 👍

No one is suggesting this is not complex and that’s the point, Trump is simplifying an incredibly complicated issue of great moment not only for our security but for our values as a civilization.

I honestly think he is too dim-witted to comprehend the subtleties and if not, then he carries even more guilt for the things he says.
 
Here’s one of the many reasons Trump is winning support
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I don’t agree that we should close our borders to Muslims. Not all Muslims are crazy radicals. That is an unfair generalization. But, and this is a big but, what the USA must do is require visas to Europeans and middle eastern countries. Many of these radicals are European citizens and they can enter the US without a visa anytime they want. Also visas are not required of.some Muslim countries. We don’t have to close our doors to Muslims butddefinitely visas have to be required to weed out people.
 
marymary1975 said:
I don’t agree that we should close our borders to Muslims. Not all Muslims are crazy radicals. That is an unfair generalization. But, and this is a big but, what the USA must do is require visas to Europeans and middle eastern countries. Many of these radicals are European citizens and they can enter the US without a visa anytime they want. Also visas are not required of.some Muslim countries. We don’t have to close our doors to Muslims butddefinitely visas have to be required to weed out people.
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A visa requirement for travellers from the EC is almost certainly not going to happen.

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jediliz said:
Do you know anything about Islam and how they treat women? Please read about Sharia law.
I am not saying I want to ban muslims, I am saying just read about Sharia law.

And Trump is clueless - the male shooter of San Bernadino was BORN HERE. It was his WIFE that was not.
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True, but I think Trump knows that; that’s probably what motivated him to suggest that perhaps American Muslims who “vacation” abroad shouldn’t be allowed to return.

From what I’ve been reading lately, not only do we have to worry about terrorists
sneaking into the country as refugees, but about second-generation American Muslims.
It seems the younger generation is particularly vulnerable to the ideology of radical Islam.
 
jediliz said:
Do you know anything about Islam and how they treat women? Please read about Sharia law.

I am not saying I want to ban muslims, I am saying just read about Sharia law.

And Trump is clueless - the male shooter of San Bernadino was BORN HERE. It was his WIFE that was not.
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The suspect is radical Islam, not refugees and not those who have been here for generations.

Trump is not clueless, he has spoken about closing down radical Mosques, so if one is saying Trump sees the danger from new refugees, they are mistaken. Tunisia and France have also closed radical Mosques, Tunisia closed many and France may close many more.

So Trump is not clueless. ISIS is filled with foreigners, there is a report that there are even more foreigners trying to join ISIS.

It seems to be a viable statistic that anywhere, the Muslim population grows to 10%, one is going to have a radical problem.

France is at 10%, Belgium is actually only at 6%, we in the US are at 1% or even less, but we’ve still had attacks and we’ve had plenty who have joined ISIS.

Look at the Somali community that largely came here in the 1990s, the Minnesota community has contributed at least a dozen recruits to El Shabaab and ISIS and one Somali is connected to the San Bernadino attacks.

Again, Trump is not clueless because radical beliefs are the problem and why enlarge a population that is sure to have radicals?
 
Guys, we must not anger the Muslims with hate speech, it could lead to them attacking us via terrorism which has nothing to do with Islam!
 
So, how many people have these Irish people killed in terrorist attacks since 2000?

Does the religion of these Irish people drive their terrorism?

What is the total amount of civilians killed by the IRA over their decades long existence?

What is the total amount of civilians killed by Islamic terrorists since say 1970?

Countries with large Christian populations, Western Hemisphere, Europe, Australia.

Now again, we can make that same comparison, Pakistan and so on.

Where are the hotspots?
 
We should probably do the same with all Latinos, since they’re the largest group responsible for terrorist attacks within US borders.

We’ll miss you, though, Jharek. 😉
 
Tu quoque (/tuːˈkwoʊkwiː/;[1] Latin for “you, too” or “you, also”) or the appeal to hypocrisy is an informal logical fallacy that intends to discredit the validity of the opponent’s logical argument by asserting the opponent’s failure to act consistently in accordance with its conclusion(s).
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1800, so that is less than 1 day with 911 and could be a monthly total for what we are seeing today in the Middle East.

Also, the IRA’s beef like the Israelis in the 1940s who bombed the King David hotel, seem to have an argument principally with one power versus Fundamentalists today who seek to carry on attacks virtually everywhere they can, from even Canada, USA, Belgium, China and so on.
 
Donald Trump has the potential to really divide this country…and it’s about time someone did !
 
gracepoole said:
We should probably do the same with all Latinos, since they’re the largest group responsible for terrorist attacks within US borders.

We’ll miss you, though, Jharek. 😉
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Sure, if Americans are killed or otherwise injured or robbed or other by those not legally in this country, what’s the big deal?
 
I’m not sure who the who is but this is definitely getting off-topic if we are beginning to talk about Israel as going too off-topic.

The USA certainly did not want Italians (now veering wildly off-topic again) who were affiliated with criminal organizations back in the day and to an extent, the controls may have been too lax seeing the Mafia flourish.

What if that same Mafia had been known, not for conducting criminal enterprise but killing American civilians?
 
I honestly believed Donald Trump was a joke candidate, and I seriously PRAY that he is.
Because if he is a serious contender for the White House, we might be looking at our first American dictator. The Patriot Act and the National Defense Authorization Act formed the framework, all it needed was a person to place within that outline.
This is really starting to look scary.
 
GEddie said:
A visa requirement for travellers from the EC is almost certainly not going to happen.

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Realistically speaking I.don’t.see it.happening but it should. Many of the radicals come.from.the EU.and there are many radical Muslims.there. it is a danger to the USA.so they should.
 
Been listening to an inte resting debate on local talk radio re this issue.It was proposed by the host that rather than focus on just the Muslim community,which is unconstitutional,rather we should impose a temporary ban on ALL imigration until we are able to get a firmer handle on the terrorist situation.
 
marymary1975 said:
Realistically speaking I.don’t.see it.happening but it should. Many of the radicals come.from.the EU.and there are many radical Muslims.there. it is a danger to the USA.so they should.
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There is reciprocity. It might affect bilateral movement.
What about your ex patriats ?
Just wondering…I d be concerned about that.as well.
I agree with you some screening is necessary though.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Been listening to an inte resting debate on local talk radio re this issue.It was proposed by the host that rather than focus on just the Muslim community,which is unconstitutional,rather we should impose a temporary ban on ALL imigration until we are able to get a firmer handle on the terrorist situation.
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Good post, I’m not sure, some people say the 1952 Immigration Act may allow groups to be banned: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1952

Angola and Japan have strict bans in place for some groups.
 
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