Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S

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France has the foreign legion who still exist, they must know the scenario well, whether they have made the right decisions or not. They colonized (or other, I don’t know if this is an accurate description to say “colonized” but they were there) a whole lot of that area including North Africa and even Syria itself.
 
I feel for you with Trudeau as your leader. Expect the constant undermining of Christianity to gather pace while Justin pretends to explode in laughter, flashing his pearly whites for the cameras. What an empty vessel he is. Harper seemed like a political genius compared to the vacuous, shallow drip
Trudeau has no history or experience to even really gauge who he is. He is a pretty face and a famous Canadian name.
The best case scenario is that he will be no deeper than his pearly whites.

Harper was a very nice reprieve from Liberal rule.
 
Trudeau has no history or experience to even really gauge who he is. He is a pretty face and a famous Canadian name.
The best case scenario is that he will be no deeper than his pearly whites.

Harper was a very nice reprieve from Liberal rule.
To the extent that ordinary Canadians were disaffected with Harper’s government, why was that the case in your opinion?
 
To the extent that ordinary Canadians were disaffected with Harper’s government, why was that the case in your opinion?
One of the reasons that I don’t much follow Canadian politics any more is because the nation as a whole votes Liberal by default.

Ordinary Canadians were angry at the Liberals for their cut-backs, and that is why Harper got in in the first place. When the anger dissipated, Canadians fall back to their default position, which is Liberal government.

But I am not an expert on Canadian politics.
 
I once heard an “Orthodox” or “Traditional” type of RC Priest talk about Rome and Italy that he had recently visited and talk about how many Muslims there were and that was back in about 2003; now look at things.
I was in Rome recently on a holiday, I did not notice many Muslims there at all. In fact the ethnic makeup apparent in Rome did not look much different from when I last was there, 25 years ago. There really is a lot of nonsense said about Europe (the ‘no go’ areas of London where sharia law is in force tops the list there). People ought to get out more rather than be taken in by scaremongering, it us not helping to make you safe.
 
Sharia zones, No. Areas where non-Muslims occasionally face hostility and harassment ? I’ve heard it from quite a few people for some time.
 
Islam is not formally recognised by the state of Italy which perhaps has an effect on the perception of change over the years.
 
Wiki Demographics of Italy.
Italian: 91%, other European (mostly Romanian, Albanian, Ukrainian and others) 5%, North African (mostly Moroccan) 1.5%, others 2.5%.[54]

Historically the ethnicity of the Italian people was mainly made of romanized autochthonous Italics and Gauls, with additions of Germanic populations (like Longobards) and -in very small amounts- of other bordering people (like Slovenes, Austrians, Albanians, etc…).
 
Sharia zones, No. Areas where non-Muslims occasionally face hostility and harassment ? I’ve heard it from quite a few people for some time.
I live in the London area, I’ve never experienced it. I also work in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims (and Sikhs) and I’ve never experienced it there (the high numbers of Muslims in this area is not a new thing and has gone back decades).

Yes there are dodgy areas where you wouldn’t feel comfortable walking in, but this has always been the case in any areas where there is poverty and unemployment, and has nothing to do with Muslims (any more than it is to do with other groups).

There really is a lot of scaremongering nonsense that seems to be coming (primarily from the USA) about what life in Britain is like. I believe that this is being stirred up by American politicians for political purposes and bears little resemblance to reality. The narrative “Europe is being taken over by Muslims who are setting up ‘no go’ areas and implementing sharia law there” seems to suit the purposes of some American politicians as they then imply that “we better be careful in the USA or we will end up like Europe”. Scaremongering, pure and simple.
 
Masterminds for the Paris attack originated in the Molenbeek neighborhood in Belgium.
bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-15/belgium-targets-molenbeek-neighborhood-in-anti-terror-clampdown
Now, pictures of the Bullring in Birmingham were found on the phone of one of the terrorists in Paris.

Play down the threat, it remains a threat though and many in England are apprehensive nonetheless. Yes, I agree, there are some scaremongerers out there who almost make a living out of doing such.

So, it needs to be looked at in a balanced way.
 
I was in Rome recently on a holiday, I did not notice many Muslims there at all. In fact the ethnic makeup apparent in Rome did not look much different from when I last was there, 25 years ago. There really is a lot of nonsense said about Europe (the ‘no go’ areas of London where sharia law is in force tops the list there). People ought to get out more rather than be taken in by scaremongering, it us not helping to make you safe.
At the same time, it is no secret that there has been a lot of strife if not rioting in Italy in the past several years about migrants coming in.
 
Well it seems that people who do not live in the London area seem to know more about London than those of us who do. I’ve never been to the USA, but maybe I should start to tell people from the USA what life is like there.

Rest assured that when I go in to central London tomorrow, for Confession in the Brompton Oratory, I will steel myself for the barrage of abuse I will be subjected to by Muslims as I pass through the notorious ‘no-go’ sharia zones.

But honestly, it is a bit rich when people who live on the other side of the world from me, tell me what life is like in my own city. Maybe I ought to start informing New-Yorkers about what life is like in New York, because living there they are clearly blind to the reality of what is going on all around them, and I (who have never been to New York) am in a position to see what is really happening there because I read about it online or heard a politician from my country talk about it.

Never let reality get in the way of a political narrative.
 
Well it seems that people who do not live in the London area seem to know more about London than those of us who do. I’ve never been to the USA, but maybe I should start to tell people from the USA what life is like there.

Rest assured that when I go in to central London tomorrow, for Confession in the Brompton Oratory, I will steel myself for the barrage of abuse I will be subjected to by Muslims as I pass through the notorious ‘no-go’ sharia zones.

But honestly, it is a bit rich when people who live on the other side of the world from me, tell me what life is like in my own city. Maybe I ought to start informing New-Yorkers about what life is like in New York, because living there they are clearly blind to the reality of what is going on all around them, and I (who have never been to New York) am in a position to see what is really happening there because I read about it online or heard a politician from my country talk about it.

Never let reality get in the way of a political narrative.
Appeal to authority, personal experience.

So no news stories should ever be believed, it be about Timbuktu or Peoria?

By the way, no exact news story is being talked about per “no go zones” or whatever, someone just mentioned some apparent problems in places like Malmo and other places, stories I don’t really give heed to.
 
I think that demographics country by country for many central countries of Europe and the world have already been posted in this thread, or in another related parallel one.

The question at hand however was Italy. I think rather than relying on personal anecdote at that point, a little reference to numbers is in order to settle any disputes or misperception.

Also, it is inappropriate to use the word ‘hordes’ to describe anybody. I am not trying to be politically correct, but it is inflammatory, and uncalled for. I didn’t see any one else using that word, so why are you?
 
“Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life,” he said in a statement.

nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/07/donald-trump-calls-for-banning-muslims-from-entering-u-s/
There is a kind of hush

la la la la

I’m betting on peace and quiet while Trump and Hillary duel it out. Then I will answer the poll
 
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Well it seems that people who do not live in the London area seem to know more about London than those of us who do. I’ve never been to the USA, but maybe I should start to tell people from the USA what life is like there.

Rest assured that when I go in to central London tomorrow, for Confession in the Brompton Oratory, I will steel myself for the barrage of abuse I will be subjected to by Muslims as I pass through the notorious ‘no-go’ sharia zones.

But honestly, it is a bit rich when people who live on the other side of the world from me, tell me what life is like in my own city. Maybe I ought to start informing New-Yorkers about what life is like in New York, because living there they are clearly blind to the reality of what is going on all around them, and I (who have never been to New York) am in a position to see what is really happening there because I read about it online or heard a politician from my country talk about it.

Never let reality get in the way of a political narrative.
When I lived in DC in the 1980s, it was known as the murder capital of the world. Over 400 people a year died there, usually of gunshots, and another 1200 were injured as part of the fallout or bad aim.

Tourists came to DC and saw nothing. People came to visit me and saw nothing, *altho I lived only 1 1/2 blocks away from one of the areas in which many shootings occurred. *

So, from my point of view, neighborhoods can change very quickly. One may have no knowledge of what is happening just two blocks away!

And for what it’s worth, altho the vast majority if the shootings occurred in bad neighborhoods, they occurred only in a small part of those neighborhoods. IOW, not all bad neighborhoods had shootings occurring frequently; probably most of them occurred in only a small fraction of the total bad neighborhood area of DC.
 
Daniel Pipes has a recent article on his website pertinent to the issue at hand.
He describes his many visits to such areas without negative incidence. Of course he realizes that this would not be the case if he dared to wear a yarmulke, or engaged in anything provocative.
But then he also describes the experience that police and any other official government agencies report having in these areas. There experience there is much more antagonistic and unfriendly.
 
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