Donald Trump Jr emails show Russia communication

[7_Sorrows]

Listening to Veselnitsaya is a 'connection"? And she did not present herself as a “Russian agent”. Objectively maybe every Russian national in this country is a “Russian agent” in some sense, considering the nature of the Russian government. But regardless, she didn’t present herself as anything at all until the meeting itself. As I understand it, Goldstone said she “had information” obtained from a “Russian prosecutor” about Hillary’s ties to Russia.

That’s a long, long way from, e.g., the DNC hiring a Russian-owned “spy for hire” agency to collect “dirt” on Trump from Russian sources for purposes of influencing the election. And, indeed, the Clinton campaign did use it. Talk about collusion with foreign sources to influence an election, that’s it.

They don’t like those facts!

 

[jtauke]

They don’t like those facts!

Can you explain this email to junior?

From: Rob Goldstone

Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and The Russian government attorney who is flying over from Moscow for this Thursday.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Overlooking the fact that we are not presently in an election (and the humour of your above intervention in the discussion, which did I’m afraid make me chuckle, notwithstanding), I should think that the reasonable person would be able to distinguish between the case of an anonymous British bloke, on a forum, offering an opinion in public on Mr Trump Jr’s self-inflicted debacle, on the one hand; and on the other the case of a son of the GOP nominee for President, in company with the presidential nominee’s campaign manager and son-in-law, soliciting compromising material on his political opponent from a foreign government - in the advance knowledge that the said information originated from a foreign government - through an intermediary.

Apples and oranges.

Au contraire, mon ami! You are obviously an anti-Brexit, pro-EU partisan, about whose connections we know nothing, but who chooses to take political positions and present political persuasion information on an American site against an American political figure who you feel is a hazard to the globalism you and Merkel espouse. At present, American you disapprove of American foreign policy. For all we know, you might be in Merkel’s pay to do it. (Not saying you are, but we don’t know, and can’t know you’re not)

And for all we know, your “America is irrelevant to a renascent Europe” might even be Putin stuff. Not saying that either, and I don’t think it, but we don’t KNOW otherwise, and can’t know.

But if someone came to you with information that would absolutely prove Trump was on the payroll of, say, the ruling party in Poland to sabotage the EU, you would accept it in a heartbeat, and we would see it on CAF before the end of the day, London time.

It’s only the scale that’s different. What would Trump Jr have done with the information if it had been the true “smoking gun” on Clinton? He says he would have gone to “the authorities” with it. Would he have made it public as well? We don’t know, but can reasonably believe he would have unless ordered not to do it. So there’s really no fundamental difference. As I said, it’s just the scale.

And if Veselnitskaya really had the goods on Hillary, Americans SHOULD have been informed about it. Trump Jr was taken in by a ruse, though whose exactly nobody knows but Vesnitskaya. But if he thought there was even a possibility of its genuineness, I say he had a positive duty to obtain it if he could, because the information could have exposed a very, very serious threat to this country. Any American would do it, and because if Clinton was on the Russian payroll in exchange for acts, Americans absolutely should have known the details.

At this point, though, this whole thing only serves the purposes of adversaries of the U.S., including Putin. One is inclined to think him much more clever than what is commonly credited to him. Perhaps the left media is only an unwitting tool of a much more clever strategy to disrupt the American government.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Can you explain this email to junior?

From: Rob Goldstone

Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and The Russian government attorney who is flying over from Moscow for this Thursday.

Emin thought she was…?

Rob Goldstone thought she was?

McDonald’s might be hiring too!

 

[jtauke]

Emin thought she was…?

Rob Goldstone thought she was?

McDonald’s might be hiring too!

So everybody in the email thought she was…but ol’ junior…he just knew otherwise. Right?

Side note: Can you stop with the comments implying that fellow posters are somehow only fit to work at McDonald’s or Burger King? You’re embarrassing yourself.

 

[YADA]

Can you restate this, please? I’m having trouble following. Is the core of this post that Clinton is bad, therefore Trump is good?

My major complaint is that Trump has been saying for months that his campaign had no contact with the Russian government and now we have one of our two princelings willing to meet with someone he apparently thought was a Russian official to get info on Clinton. Even if you think that Clinton is not the most ethically upright politician (no argument from me) there is still the underlying lie.

How about this -

Trump Jr. accepted a meeting - initiated up by a third party that per this third party - had dirt about Hillary - that comes from high in the Russian government …The meeting did not involve any transmittal of information nor have anything to do with ‘dirt’ on Hillary

And just the “willingness to accept the meeting” - is Treason and a crime … even though no information was offered or accepted -

But McCain sent an emissary to a meeting to obtain a dossier of Russian information - obtained by people from Russians - on dirt on Trump … McCain accepted the information and that is okay … that’s not Treason …

Jeb Bush sought opposition information on Trump from Russia - not Treason …

Hillary people actually met with Ukrainian officials to obtain dirt on Trump - that is not Treason …

Bill Clinton’s campaign actually accepted money from Chinese operatives back in the 1990s - he was not accused of Treason …

Bill Clinton accepted Russian speaking fees - high fees and the Clinton Foundation accepted millions - and that is not Treason.

But Trump Jr - Treasonous criminal - off with his head …

And the Democrats and Media wonder why people dont follow their - Gasp - this is the Smoking Gun … we got them all now …

Just because the Media will run this story 24/7 for days and days - and the other stories buried and barely mentioned …

Really - there are people who read past the Headline and first paragraph and read and watch multiple sources - not just the one that reflects their own viewpoint …

I read it all [Left,Right, Center, Local and National] - and I read more than watch

 

[Ridgerunner]

So everybody in the email thought she was…but ol’ junior…he just knew otherwise. Right?

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We actually don’t know what he thought except as he, himself, expresses it. I’m sure he’ll tell us in some congressional hearing or other.

And he has a name, and it’s not “ol’ junior”. It’s not good to express scorn in such obvious ways. Tempts the reader to ignore any merits the statement might have and to just toss it into the “hate bin.”

 

[BoomBoomMancini]

Side note: Can you stop with the comments implying that fellow posters are somehow only fit to work at McDonald’s or Burger King? You’re embarrassing yourself.

Haha, is that the implication? That’s beyond asinine.

 

[YADA]

That’s unclear. She certainly has ties to the Russian government, and the line between official-dom and the private sector in Russia can get a little murky. But that doesn’t really matter. What matters is whether DJT thought she was. As I said somewhere else on this topic, it doesn’t matter if the “hooker” you solicit is actually an undercover police officer. You’re still guilty of soliciting prostitution.

So Trump Jr, Hillary, McCain and Jeb Bush are all guilty of Treasonous Solicitation Good to know …

Should they stand trial together? - as it all involved the 2016 Election

Should they use the same lawyer? - or all obtain separate council in case one wants to turn against the others and negotiate a plea deal?

Will Trump pardon all of them? - Just Junior or just the Republicans?

 

[josie_L]

Au contraire, mon ami! You are obviously an anti-Brexit, pro-EU partisan, about whose connections we know nothing, but who chooses to take political positions and present political persuasion information on an American site against an American political figure who you feel is a hazard to the globalism you and Merkel espouse. At present, American you disapprove of American foreign policy. For all we know, you might be in Merkel’s pay to do it. (Not saying you are, but we don’t know, and can’t know you’re not)

And for all we know, your “America is irrelevant to a renascent Europe” might even be Putin stuff. Not saying that either, and I don’t think it, but we don’t KNOW otherwise, and can’t know.

But if someone came to you with information that would absolutely prove Trump was on the payroll of, say, the ruling party in Poland to sabotage the EU, you would accept it in a heartbeat, and we would see it on CAF before the end of the day, London time.

It’s only the scale that’s different. What would Trump Jr have done with the information if it had been the true “smoking gun” on Clinton? He says he would have gone to “the authorities” with it. Would he have made it public as well? We don’t know, but can reasonably believe he would have unless ordered not to do it. So there’s really no fundamental difference. As I said, it’s just the scale.

And if Veselnitskaya really had the goods on Hillary, Americans SHOULD have been informed about it. Trump Jr was taken in by a ruse, though whose exactly nobody knows but Vesnitskaya. But if he thought there was even a possibility of its genuineness, I say he had a positive duty to obtain it if he could, because the information could have exposed a very, very serious threat to this country. Any American would do it, and because if Clinton was on the Russian payroll in exchange for acts, Americans absolutely should have known the details.

At this point, though, this whole thing only serves the purposes of adversaries of the U.S., including Putin. One is inclined to think him much more clever than what is commonly credited to him. Perhaps the left media is only an unwitting tool of a much more clever strategy to disrupt the American government.

Disregarding what was said about Vouthon (he’s a good guy), these are my sentiments exactly!!

 

[BoomBoomMancini]

How about this -

Trump Jr. accepted a meeting - initiated up by a third party that per this third party - had dirt about Hillary - that comes from high in the Russian government …The meeting did not involve any transmittal of information nor have anything to do with ‘dirt’ on Hillary

And just the “willingness to accept the meeting” - is Treason and a crime … even though no information was offered or accepted -

But McCain sent an emissary to a meeting to obtain a dossier of Russian information - obtained by people from Russians - on dirt on Trump … McCain accepted the information and that is okay … that’s not Treason …

Jeb Bush sought opposition information on Trump from Russia - not Treason …

Hillary people actually met with Ukrainian officials to obtain dirt on Trump - that is not Treason …

Bill Clinton’s campaign actually accepted money from Chinese operatives back in the 1990s - he was not accused of Treason …

Bill Clinton accepted Russian speaking fees - high fees and the Clinton Foundation accepted millions - and that is not Treason.

But Trump Jr - Treasonous criminal - off with his head …

And the Democrats and Media wonder why people dont follow their - Gasp - this is the Smoking Gun … we got them all now …

Just because the Media will run this story 24/7 for days and days - and the other stories buried and barely mentioned …

Really - there are people who read past the Headline and first paragraph and read and watch multiple sources - not just the one that reflects their own viewpoint …

I read it all [Left,Right, Center, Local and National] - and I read more than watch

If you’re going to attempt to play the condescending professorial type, you should read more carefully. I never said Trump was guilty of treason, or that it would necessarily be a crime. Just that it’s glaringly inconsistent with the denials of any contact we’ve been hearing for months.

If you’re pointing out that Clintons are ethically unsound themselves, go nuts. I’m certainly not going to argue with you. Of course, I never defended them, but I see you’ve included the standard litany of complaints against them. So…cool, I guess?

I’m interested in hearing more about Jeb Bush and McCain’s secret backroom dealings with the Russian government, by the way.

 

[Jig_Saw]

You guys really need to get a life and move on…this is so pathetic to watch this daily witch hunt.
Burger King is hiring…

I have just pointed out that the Trump campaign sought damaging information on their political opponent from an agent of a foreign government. You have repeatably said there is nothing there, but now there certainly seems to be something there.

Of course, Trump supporters would remain loyal even if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue and that continues to hold true.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I have just pointed out that the Trump campaign sought damaging information on their political opponent from an agent of a foreign government. You have repeatably said there is nothing there, but now there certainly seems to be something there.

If somebody, even a Russian, even a former Russian prosecutor, told you he or she had definitive proof of Russian government provenance that Rex Tillerson had sold out to the Russians, you wouldn’t accept the information?

You know you would, and gleefully.

 

[BoomBoomMancini]

If somebody, even a Russian, even a former Russian prosecutor, told you he or she had definitive proof of Russian government provenance that Rex Tillerson had sold out to the Russians, you wouldn’t accept the information?

You know you would, and gleefully.

I might. I might also, if I suspected it was evidence of a crime, call the FBI and ask them to be in the room. I wouldn’t take my dopey brother-in-law and Paul Manafort of all people. Regardless, I wouldn’t spend the next few months saying that I had never had any conversations with the Russian government if I had, and I wouldn’t lie on my security clearance form.

 

[abucs]

Trump junior email texts and video explanation.

 

[Jig_Saw]

If somebody, even a Russian, even a former Russian prosecutor, told you he or she had definitive proof of Russian government provenance that Rex Tillerson had sold out to the Russians, you wouldn’t accept the information?

You know you would, and gleefully.

You don’t know me, so I would appreciate that you wouldn’t make assumptions about me and I don’t appreciate that you would suggest that I would commit a felony for political gain.

 

[DeniseNY]

Nevermind

 

[YADA]

If you’re going to attempt to play the condescending professorial type, you should read more carefully. I never said Trump was guilty of treason, or that it would necessarily be a crime. Just that it’s glaringly inconsistent with the denials of any contact we’ve been hearing for months.

If you’re pointing out that Clintons are ethically unsound themselves, go nuts. I’m certainly not going to argue with you. Of course, I never defended them, but I see you’ve included the standard litany of complaints against them. So…cool, I guess?

I’m interested in hearing more about Jeb Bush and McCain’s secret backroom dealings with the Russian government, by the way.

You have not herd about the golden showers dossier … McCain sent a person to get it … only after getting it and reading it did he contact Comey - not before like people are saying Trump Jr should have done …

And supposedly Jeb offered money for it - or initiated obtaining it …

I am not sure we really know …

We are learning that this Russian Attorney is tied to Fusion GPS - who created this Golden Showers Dossier …

She - this same Russian Attorney - also was forced from USA and not allowed to re-enter the Country - but somehow was allowed in just before this meeting with Trump Jr and then met with Obama Ambassador - Why? …

I am not a conspiracy fan … but there are more connections here than we really know …

It seems like the meeting was a fizzle for Trump camp . … unsolicited - unremarkable … no after meeting use or follow-up …

While there is much participation, action, documents, intel and leaks to media on the other side …

Really - that does not cause any ‘questions’ for those who want to make so much of this email chain instigated from an outside Trump camp …

And now we are learning this Russian Attorney had ties to McCain … and that she supposedly attended anti Trump rallies … this Russian Attorney was a guest of the Obama Ambassador to congressional hearings?

This person who was not supposed to be in the Country but was let in by the Obama Administration -

 

[7_Sorrows]

Haha, is that the implication? That’s beyond asinine.

That is not what I was implying. I can’t help it if someone took it that way.

 

[abucs]

Originally Posted by Ridgerunner
If somebody, even a Russian, even a former Russian prosecutor, told you he or she had definitive proof of Russian government provenance that Rex Tillerson had sold out to the Russians, you wouldn’t accept the information?

You know you would, and gleefully.

You don’t know me, so I would appreciate that you wouldn’t make assumptions about me and I don’t appreciate that you would suggest that I would commit a felony for political gain.

How would you be committing a felony?