Donald Trump Jr emails show Russia communication

[meltzerboy]

How far back? These payments to Iran happened during the 2016 campaign - just last fall!!! We are not speaking of ancient events here …

In political years, it’s ancient history.

 

[M-Dent]

Back on topic, Donald Trump Jr most certainly displayed a naivety to being setup by a foreign intelligence agency. I’m not sure anything shows it goes further than this?

 

[7_Sorrows]

Back on topic, Donald Trump Jr most certainly displayed a naivety to being setup by a foreign intelligence agency. I’m not sure anything shows it goes further than this?

those are my feelings. at that time he had no idea how deep the hatred for his father would be once elected.

 

[ProVobis]

And I’ll add this

Look at the Timeline

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June 3rd, 2016: First email contact between Rob Goldstone and Donald Trump Jr. about meeting with “Russian government lawyer” with damaging information about Hillary Clinton.
June 7th, 2016: Donald J Trump gives speech in which he promises a major speech about Hillary Clinton’s crimes on June 13th. “I am going to give a major speech on … probably Monday [June 13th] of next week and we’re going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons. I think you’re going to find it very informative and very, very interesting.”
June 8th, 2016: First tweet posted to “DCLeaks” Twitter account.
June 9th, 2016: Donald Trump, Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort meet with Natalia Veselnitskaya. Trump agreed to take the meeting after being told by Trump associate Rob Goldstone that Veselnitskaya had damaging information about Hillary Clinton which came from a Russian government operation to help his father Donald J. Trump.
June 12th, 2016: Julian Assange first announces that Wikileaks has Clinton emails which are soon to be released. “Wikileaks has a very big year ahead … We have emails related to Hillary Clinton which are pending publication.”
June 14, 2016: Washington Post publishes first account of hacking of the DNC computer networks, allegedly by hackers working on behalf of the Russian government.
June 15th, 2016: “Guccifer 2.0”, later identified by US government officials and other private sector analysts as a fictive persona created by Russian intelligence operatives, contacts The Smoking Gun to take credit for hacking the DNC.
June 27th, 2016: First hacked DNC emails posted to “DCLeaks” website.
July 11th-12th, 2016: Trump campaign officials intervene to remove language calling for providing Ukraine with lethal aid against Russian intervention is Crimea and eastern Ukraine. It is, reportedly, the only significant Trump campaign intervention in the platform in which the Trump campaign has allowed activists a free hand.
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talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/look-at-the-timeline

Timelines tell a bigger and more plausible story than do individual events.

Good work by those who are assembling this timeline. More to come, I’m sure.

 

[Ridgerunner]

In my opinion, the law says that if I took information from a foreign entity to influence an election, I would be committing a felony. Now, I’m not a lawyer, so I may be wrong, but you’re not a lawyer, so you could very well be wrong too. Frankly, it isn’t my responsibility, but that on the law enforcement and any good American would contact the FBI if such a situation were presented to them.

I think one would have to exercise judgment about the timing of getting law enforcement involved. If one doesn’t actually know what information one is to receive or in what form, or whether it’s even real, one might not think it particularly prudent to call in the law, get the place or persons wired, etc, cause the informant to be hassled, and perhaps get oneself sued in the process for no good reason.

There were two occasions in my life in which jumping the gun proved embarrassing.In one of them (and the memory still stings a bit) a woman friend brought to my office some guns she absolutely swore her estranged boyfriend had bought from criminals who had stolen them. One of them, in particular, looked like a pretty serious piece of artillery, and closely resembled a Thompson submachine gun. (I didn’t know the difference.)

So I dutifully called ATF, telling them about the “stolen” guns, including what looked like a submachine gun. They sent an agent to examine them. The agent informed me the guns were perfectly legal, not reported as stolen, and that if they belonged to somebody else, I had better give them back ASAP since someone might accuse me of receiving stolen property. (girlfriend from boyfriend, perhaps) He probably laughed all the way back to his office at my naivete and intense embarrassment.

You don’t bother law enforcement until you have a fair idea you know what you’re talking about. Otherwise you’re just another crank caller. Trump Jr said if the mystery visitor (who turned out to be Veselnitskaya) brought anything like what it was asserted to be, he would have gone to the authorities with it.

Realizing this is hyperbolic, but in order to illustrate the point, Trump didn’t know “mystery woman” would bring in some crumpled old articles from the Russian version of “National Inquirer” in which “…a source…” asserted that Hillary was a card-carrying member of both the FSB and the Illuminati, or a signed note from Clinton saying “In exchange for $150 million, I promise to approve the sale of 20% of American uranium to Russia”.

And the law actually never says anything about “information”, quite possibly because people receive information from foreign sources all the time that might have some relevance in an election. Certainly, the “Trump dossier”, commissioned and paid for by the DNC, fit the description of a prohibited transaction, to a “T”.

But the Democrat media has no interest in that.

 

[YADA]

Wasn’t that money Iran’s to begin with and had been frozen?

Because they held our embassy personnel hostage for over a year and destroyed US property … …

 

[ProVobis]

32,000 emails erased by HC using bleach bit,yet whe DJ Jr is forthcoming by releasing what a handful of emails and Horrors! What a scandal,impeach Trump already,this is just unpardonable and beyond the pale,don’t you know?

So is it a matter of numbers of emails or actual contents?

 

[Ridgerunner]

Timelines tell a bigger and more plausible story than do individual events.

Good work by those who are assembling this timeline. More to come, I’m sure.

Maybe they’ll somehow get the DNC to allow the FBI to examine the DNC computer that was supposedly hacked, and which it refuses to allow the FBI to see?

That would be a nice addition to the timeline. In fact, it might even make it credible.

 

[YADA]

In political years, it’s ancient history.

The Donald Trump Jr meeting is farther back than that then … and its 100% political made up BS … a meeting he did not initiate and that produced zip for influence peddling …

 

[Ridgerunner]

Because they held our embassy personnel hostage for over a year and destroyed US property … …

It is my understand that some federal court ruled that the funds could be garnished to pay the claims of the victims of Iran’s hostage-taking. But it is my further understanding the Obama administration paid the victims claims out of the treasury in order to release the money to Iran.

So, while it was frozen to pay claims, taxpayers paid the claims instead so Iran could have the money.

 

[Jig_Saw]

I think one would have to exercise judgment about the timing of getting law enforcement involved. If one doesn’t actually know what information one is to receive or in what form, or whether it’s even real, one might not think it particularly prudent to call in the law, get the place or persons wired, etc, cause the informant to be hassled, and perhaps get oneself sued in the process for no good reason.

There were two occasions in my life in which jumping the gun proved embarrassing.In one of them (and the memory still stings a bit) a woman friend brought to my office some guns she absolutely swore her estranged boyfriend had bought from criminals who had stolen them. One of them, in particular, looked like a pretty serious piece of artillery, and closely resembled a Thompson submachine gun. (I didn’t know the difference.)

So I dutifully called ATF, telling them about the “stolen” guns, including what looked like a submachine gun. They sent an agent to examine them. The agent informed me the guns were perfectly legal, not reported as stolen, and that if they belonged to somebody else, I had better give them back ASAP since someone might accuse me of receiving stolen property. (girlfriend from boyfriend, perhaps) He probably laughed all the way back to his office at my naivete and intense embarrassment.

You don’t bother law enforcement until you have a fair idea you know what you’re talking about. Otherwise you’re just another crank caller. Trump Jr said if the mystery visitor (who turned out to be Veselnitskaya) brought anything like what it was asserted to be, he would have gone to the authorities with it.

Realizing this is hyperbolic, but in order to illustrate the point, Trump didn’t know “mystery woman” would bring in some crumpled old articles from the Russian version of “National Inquirer” in which “…a source…” asserted that Hillary was a card-carrying member of both the FSB and the Illuminati, or a signed note from Clinton saying “In exchange for $150 million, I promise to approve the sale of 20% of American uranium to Russia”.

And the law actually never says anything about “information”, quite possibly because people receive information from foreign sources all the time that might have some relevance in an election. Certainly, the “Trump dossier”, commissioned and paid for by the DNC, fit the description of a prohibited transaction, to a “T”.

But the Democrat media has no interest in that.

Well, I think if someone brought me guns and said they were stolen, the first thing I would do is call the police. Then I’d give them to the police and wash my hands of it. So, the idea that somehow involving law enforcement was the wrong thing to do is laughable in my opinion and I really doubt that the ATF agent meant to make you feel that way.

Similarly, if someone came to me seeking to hand me information that would potentially involve me in a felony, I would call law enforcement and not say “I love it” and work to arrange a meeting. Which is what Donald Trump Jr did.

 

[ProVobis]

Maybe they’ll somehow get the DNC to allow the FBI to examine the DNC computer that was supposedly hacked, and which it refuses to allow the FBI to see?

That would be a nice addition to the timeline. In fact, it might even make it credible.

What makes you think the Special Prosecutor doesn’t have all this information?

Part of the timeline was tied to what Trump actually cried out at his rallies. Had he kept his mouth shut about promising to divulge information at a later date, things might not have been this easy for the networks to solve.

 

[ProVobis]

The Donald Trump Jr meeting is farther back than that then … and its 100% political made up BS … a meeting he did not initiate and that produced zip for influence peddling …

The point was to draw him into that meeting and he cooperated.

 

[Jeanne_S]

So is it a matter of numbers of emails or actual contents?

Clearly nothing going on withbDTJr
HC erasing her emails all 32,0000 speaks for itself.Don’t you think?

 

[Monte_RCMS]

One of the weak, if not the weakest, link in this whole chain is the fact that nobody has ever been allowed to actually examine the DNC computer for “Russian fingerprints” or anything else, despite repeated FBI requests (and why just requests?) to have its experts analyze it. The only word we have for Russian hacking is the DNC itself. Supposedly, the DNC’s information about that comes from CrowdStrike, the Russian-owned “spy company” hired by the DNC to spy on Trump, that produced the fake Trump “dossier” with Russian sources.

So, here we have Trump Jr who is willing to testify before Congress and produce everything he has, to the DNC which is not willing to produce the most elemental piece of evidence in the whole tale.

And so we should believe the DNC and CrowdStrike?

No thank you.

This is THE key post on Russian involvement … with the Democrats!!!

 

[M-Dent]

This is THE key post on Russian involvement … with the Democrats!!!

The Democrats were certainly found to have insecure servers/data.

Yet, CrowdStrike and there FBI affliliations had ample evidence. There is * little doubt* of Russian hacking.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Well, I think if someone brought me guns and said they were stolen, the first thing I would do is call the police. Then I’d give them to the police and wash my hands of it. So, the idea that somehow involving law enforcement was the wrong thing to do is laughable in my opinion and I really doubt that the ATF agent meant to make you feel that way.

Similarly, if someone came to me seeking to hand me information that would potentially involve me in a felony, I would call law enforcement and not say “I love it” and work to arrange a meeting. Which is what Donald Trump Jr did.

I can tell you have never dealt with the ATF. Truly unique personalities. But there’s a lot more humor involved in high level law enforcement than some might suspect. I could tell my favorite story about a meeting with ATF, FBI and CID (IRS criminal division) at the same time. I thought it very funny. But that’s another story altogether.

If boyfriend was everything girlfriend said he was, and if the one gun really was a Thompson submachine gun, then ATF was absolutely the right choice. Illegal firearms are absolutely an ATF issue.

What makes you think Trump Jr was potentially involving himself in a felony? If Veselnitskaya handed him credible information that Hillary was involved in a criminal quid pro quo, it’s no felony to receive it; only to hide it, destroy it or alter it. If she handed him garbage or nothing at all (the latter was actually the case) there’s no obligation to talk to law enforcement about it just because she’s a Russian windbag even if you suspect she’s part of a Dem party “sting” operation. But I don’t think he thought the latter.

 

[Ridgerunner]

The Democrats were certainly found to have insecure servers/data.

Yet, CrowdStrike and there FBI affliliations had ample evidence. There is * little doubt* of Russian hacking.

Russia might have hacked the DNC computer. But the FBI never examined it because DNC refused to let them see it. Or at least that’s what Comey said as late as March of this year. Of course, to subpoena it, he would have had to go to the Justice Department, but he already knew it was unlikely to cooperate. For all we know, he might have asked DOJ and been refused. In any event, he complained about it publicly at least twice this year before he was fired.

Regardless, the only information CrowdStrike presented to “prove” it was the Russkis was to SAY that it found the “fingerprints” of a spyware program the Russians have been known to use. But actually, the Russians are only the third most common user of that spyware. The most frequent origin of hacks using it is the U.S. I can’t remember what the second most frequent origin is. Maybe Ukraine or Iran or somebody. Everybody in the “hacking business” has those programs.

But if there are distinctive Russian “fingerprints” in the DNC computer, the FBI has never seen them. Likely the DNC doesn’t want the FBI to see the other stuff in the computer. At least that would be my guess.

 

[M-Dent]

Russia might have hacked the DNC computer. But the FBI never examined it because DNC refused to let them see it. Or at least that’s what Comey said as late as March of this year. Of course, to subpoena it, he would have had to go to the Justice Department, but he already knew it was unlikely to cooperate. For all we know, he might have asked DOJ and been refused. In any event, he complained about it publicly at least twice this year before he was fired.

Regardless, the only information CrowdStrike presented to “prove” it was the Russkis was to SAY that it found the “fingerprints” of a spyware program the Russians have been known to use. But actually, the Russians are only the third most common user of that spyware. The most frequent origin of hacks using it is the U.S. I can’t remember what the second most frequent origin is. Maybe Ukraine or Iran or somebody. Everybody in the “hacking business” has those programs.

But if there are distinctive Russian “fingerprints” in the DNC computer, the FBI has never seen them. Likely the DNC doesn’t want the FBI to see the other stuff in the computer. At least that would be my guess.

CrowdStrike’s threat intelligence in the industry is well respected. There due diligence showed without much reason of doubt Russians were behind certain data breaches. And it was State supported. They shared the data behind such conclusions. The data the FBI could also harvest. US agencies shared the findings. No Gov. agency would post or claim it as their own, for good reason.

 

[M-Dent]

The point was to draw him into that meeting and he cooperated.

Just looking at the issue as a potential risk of unwittingly cooperating with a foreign adversary - the meeting was a bad idea. But I still am unconvinced it was much more than imprudent.