Donald Trump Presidential Campaign Thread

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Maybe. But it’s hard to see how him being the negotiator in the Iran nuke deal could have had a worse result. Well, the war on Libya too. How could our “diplomacy” with Libya have been worse? And supporting the Muslim Brotherhood takeover in Egypt? And running guns to terrorists in Syria?

One thing Trump does say; in making a deal you have to be prepared to walk away. It would have been better in those four “deals” if the administration had done just that.
 
ATeNumquam said:
QUOTE=(name removed by moderator);13942620]Trump gives the best speeches himself as to why he would be bad for your nation’s foreign policy with no aid needed.
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His latest utterings (well, as reported in the media) make him appear increasingly flaky, petulant, and with a quick anger trigger. Not someone I’d trust in foreign relations.

Hopefully Americans will come to see that, whatever he might promise to do for you on the domestic front, the position he holds makes the relationship with the rest of the world every bit as important. A benign but weird person can be overlooked (by the rest of the world) in the role of POTUS, but to me he looks more and more dangerous because he has a very short fuse.

Do you think so? If he was all that short-fused, he wouldn’t be able to make a single business deal because nearly every business transaction contains reasons to get angry with the counterparty. And the bigger the deal, the more it’s so. I don’t think most of us have any idea how smart some of the people are that he has dealt with in his time. And yet, he made it work.

I’ll grant, Barack Obama has a smooth way. But that didn’t make him effective. Seems like world leaders grin and eat wagyu steaks with him, but then take him (and the country) to the cleaners.

I think more and more people in this country are tired of that. I certainly am.
 
SuperLuigi said:
Well, about Hillary Clinton? Her negatives are pretty high as well.
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And Trump contributed to her campaign last time around, did he not? Or was it the Clinton Foundation? Or was it to other Democrats? or all of the above?
 
Mulligan2 said:
I expected more from Paul Ryan. I’m surprised by this.
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If it’s any consolation, he looked pretty miserable today. But now it’s official; the Republican party owns Donald Trump. Or is it the other way around?
 
Good_Tidings said:
If it’s any consolation, he looked pretty miserable today. But now it’s official; the Republican party owns Donald Trump. Or is it the other way around?
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And to think he could have just as easily bought out the Democratic Party…
 
Ridgerunner said:
It’s racial, pure and simple. And this judge is a member of it. Given the politics of immigration, he should have recused himself. Judges are supposed to do that to avoid even the “appearance of impropriety” or imaginable bias. But this judge didn’t.

Again, if a judge was, or had ever been, a member of something called the “White Lawyers’ Association” or the “European-American Lawyers’ Association”, would anybody think it right that he should hear a case in which a party was the NAACP or “Black Lives Matter”? Of course not. And we would hear howls of indignation from the left if he did.
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This is not just ridiculous, it’s flat-out bigoted.

Judge Curiel is an American-born citizen of the United States. There’s no reason in *** why he should recuse himself any more than the child of, say, Irish immigrants should recuse himself from a case involving someone who has strong opinions about immigration, legal or illegal.

It is a false equivalence to say (as I see hardline conservatives do all too often) that organizations that espouse “white pride” or the like are somehow the same as organizations like the NAACP (or the organization of which Judge Curiel is or was a member. It’s nonsense.

Donald Trump delivered an outright racist rant against this judge, who has a distinguished record of prosecuting people without regard to common ethnicity. Anyone who agrees with him is of the same stripe.
 
Good_Tidings said:
If it’s any consolation, he [Paul Ryan] looked pretty miserable today. But now it’s official; the Republican party owns Donald Trump. Or is it the other way around?
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They’ll probably be moving the Republican National Committee to Trump Tower. 😉
 
I’d like to know why our billionaire-owned media bashes Trump 2-3 times on every home page. My teachers criticized Russia for naming their newspaper “Pravda” or Truth, yet our media tries to propagandize the vote every chance it gets. It’s getting stale. I’d like to go back and point out this hypocrisy to my old teachers.
 
For months, Donald Trump has claimed that he opposed the Iraq War before the invasion began — as an example of his great judgment on foreign policy issues.
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But in a 2002 interview with Howard Stern, Donald Trump said he supported an Iraq invasion.
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In the interview, which took place on Sept. 11, 2002, Stern asked Trump directly if he was for invading Iraq.
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“Yeah, I guess so,” Trump responded. “I wish the first time it was done correctly.”
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Trump has repeatedly claimed that he was against the Iraq War before it began, despite no evidence of him publicly stating this position. On Meet the Press, Trump said there weren’t many articles about his opposition because he wasn’t a politician at the time.
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buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/in-2002-donald-trump-said-he-supported-invading-iraq-on-the?utm_term=.asWXLB06q#.ljjzBx8R7

It looks like Mr. Trump has a bad memory!
 
NBC News:
SAN JOSE, Calif. — Mobs of opponents of Donald Trump violently swarmed and assaulted some of his supporters outside of the candidate’s campaign rally Thursday night in California.
Some Trump backers were surrounded and punched after the rally in San Jose, which wrapped up just before 8 p.m. (11 p.m. ET).
One woman wearing a “Trump” jersey was cornered, spit at, and verbally assaulted while Trump opponents threw eggs, food and water bottles at her.
The videos below contains language some may find offensive.
Watch: The moment a Trump supporter, surrounded by protesters, is egged in the face, hit by other food. pic.twitter.com/qYFdwJWvrS
— Jacob Rascon (@Jacobnbc) June 3, 2016
The protests spilled into the streets, where police in riot gear largely stood by as occasional groups mobbed and attacked Trump supporters, some of whom tried to flee. Others provoked the crowds and fought back.
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Don’t these jerks realize they are getting 10,000 votes for Trump every time they do this?
 
Thorolfr said:
Claiming that you know what people intend or believe better than what they do and what they have stated about themselves seems rather presumptuous.
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A tactic typically reserved for Progressives/liberals. 😉
 
Regarding Judge Curiel, If trump actually felt that the Judge was not capable of being impartial, there are procedures to address that.

research.lawyers.com/well-recuse-me-when-a-judge-shouldnt-try-a-case.html
Procedure for Recusal. When any of the above circumstances are present, the judge may either raise the issue of recusal him/herself or entertain a motion by one of the parties. A judge who determines it is necessary to recuse him/herself will advise the parties and attorneys of the grounds for that determination, and will ask the court administrator to reassign the case to a different judge. If the matter is brought to the judge’s attention through a party’s motion seeking disqualification, in most jurisdictions the judge will initially decide the motion him/herself; if the motion is denied, the losing party will typically be permitted to have the motion reheard by the court’s Chief Judge.
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Finally, it’s important to note that recusal and disqualification of judges is a sensitive subject, since it draws into question the fitness of a judge to carry out the fundamental role of his or her position – the fair and impartial resolution of judicial proceedings. So, the decision to file a motion seeing disqualification should be made only after careful consideration.
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Trump thinks this judge cannot be impartial because he’s the son of Mexican immigrants, even though the case has nothing to do with immigration or with Mexico. The case has to do with fraud.
 
Ridgerunner said:
No. I just know some judges myself, and I know they recuse themselves for less controversial reasons than this. This judge is a member of a “Hispanics only” organization and is on a committee that raises scholarship money for illegals. And here’s Trump wanting to control the entry of illegals. If that isn’t potentially subject to at least allegations of bias, I don’t know what is. And, during an election, the Judge decided to release all of the allegations (not proved or disproved yet) of the people who claim, rightly or wrongly, to have been skinned by Trump University.

And no one is supposed to even imagine that he acted politically?

I’m not saying Judge Curiel is a racist or that he is trying to help Hillary Clinton. But it does make one wonder, and that’s exactly what judges are supposed to avoid.
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Ridge you starting to be sound like Sean Hannity, scared as can be.
Luckily Gerardo Rivera cornered him but Sean is so stubborn, he kept going in circles don’t be like that. He had 3 points that he argued which your sorta of making. Let’s go through them.
  1. the club/organization the the judge is, belongs to, is not the same which some here, I believe it was you who posted it, La Raza, the organization that wants the southwest back in Mexico. He belongs to another La Raza, which is a Hispanic Union. Sorta of like with me as a firefighter , we have minority unions here in Texas in the fire dept, and it doesn’t mean we’re fascist.
  2. right wing people including trump are complaining that the judge is biased bc he was put there by Obama. Ummm, let me throw some breaking news to you guys. A lot of judges, have been appointed by Obama bc as president that’s what he does as president.
  3. people complain about the judge being a Clinton supporter. So, the right wing people don’t believe in the justice system. This judge from what I have read, has a good track record.
I’m guessing republicans can find someone guilty like they did with HRC, but when things are switched is a witch hunt.
 
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